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Author Topic:   Don't get it (Re: Ape to Man - where did the hair go?)
Dan Carroll
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Message 39 of 116 (103092)
04-27-2004 2:15 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by pbaylis
04-27-2004 1:47 PM


Re: Not All Options, Just Real Ones
pbaylis writes:
I believe Einstein was a creationist.
Einstein writes:
It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.

"As the days go by, we face the increasing inevitability that we are alone in a godless, uninhabited, hostile and meaningless universe. Still, you've got to laugh, haven't you?"
-Holly

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Dan Carroll
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Message 43 of 116 (103097)
04-27-2004 2:23 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by pbaylis
04-27-2004 1:47 PM


Re: Not All Options, Just Real Ones
Here's another quick fun one:
[My] deep religiosity... found an abrupt ending at the age of twelve, through the reading of popular scientific books.
-Albert Einstein, as quoted in Einstein, History, and Other Passions, p. 172
Finding these quotes took about ten seconds on google.

"As the days go by, we face the increasing inevitability that we are alone in a godless, uninhabited, hostile and meaningless universe. Still, you've got to laugh, haven't you?"
-Holly

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Dan Carroll
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Message 48 of 116 (103108)
04-27-2004 2:51 PM
Reply to: Message 47 by pbaylis
04-27-2004 2:48 PM


selective Google searches
I'm sorry, but is this meant to blame me for your misrepresentation of a man's beliefs?
I guess a "whoops, my bad" would have been a little too much to hope for. But if the quotes are out of context, I'd certainly enjoy hearing under what possible context those statements could allow for a belief in creationism.

"As the days go by, we face the increasing inevitability that we are alone in a godless, uninhabited, hostile and meaningless universe. Still, you've got to laugh, haven't you?"
-Holly

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Dan Carroll
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Message 52 of 116 (103113)
04-27-2004 3:00 PM
Reply to: Message 50 by pbaylis
04-27-2004 2:56 PM


So... you will neither support nor withdraw your assertion.
And creationists wonder why they're not taken seriously. Have fun with this one, guys.

"As the days go by, we face the increasing inevitability that we are alone in a godless, uninhabited, hostile and meaningless universe. Still, you've got to laugh, haven't you?"
-Holly

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Dan Carroll
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Message 84 of 116 (103272)
04-28-2004 1:16 AM
Reply to: Message 69 by pbaylis
04-27-2004 10:19 PM


Re: Einstein & Hawking
Now let me get this straight. You accuse me of selective, out of context quoting. Then, you quote two unsourced sentence fragments (not even full sentences, mind you) as a refutation. Do you not see the flaw here?
Apart from that, RAZD pretty much covered it. If you call someone a creationist, you're saying something pretty damn specific. To call Einstein or Hawking a creationist is flat-out misleading. To try and move the goalposts by equating creationist and deist when you're caught out is just being weasely. And no one likes weasels. They smell bad, and they're always up to something shifty and unpleasant.
Now, you're new here, so maybe I should cut you some slack. But I'm a jerk, so I won't. What I will do is tell you that shady half-truths (if even that) don't have a huge shelf-life around here. They're quickly pretty pounced on, and thrashed apart. Getting an attitude about a refuted point, rather than simply arguing back, is treated in pretty much the same manner. But if you manage to play it straight with us, you'll find we'll do the same.

"As the days go by, we face the increasing inevitability that we are alone in a godless, uninhabited, hostile and meaningless universe. Still, you've got to laugh, haven't you?"
-Holly

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