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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Trump did not and would not call Nazis "fine people" and condemned them twice on that video.
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JonF Member (Idle past 196 days) Posts: 6174 Joined:
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One side was Nazis and people who chose to march with Nazis at an event organized by Nazis and advertised as an event for Nazis.
The other side weren't any of that. Trump called Nazis fine people once and mildly condemned them twice. The video shows it clearly. No matter how much you want to deny it. Note that the white supremacists and Nazis think he's one of them. What could cause that? Edited by JonF, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
It's very clear on the video that Trump mentioned four groups: good people and bad people in each of two groups, the bad people being the Nazis and white supremacists on the Right and Antifa on the Left which had shown up to do violence. He clearly had in mind a group of "fine people" who were just there to protest the taking down of the statues, and similarly fine people on the other side of that. FOUR groups, two "bad" and two "fine." \\it
It takes a Fake News Leftist Liar to believe that he called Nazis "fine people." It doesn't matter what YOU think, that's what HE thought. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 763 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
Faith, I’ll bet it is pretty nice to be psychic and know what other people are thinking.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Any idiot can tell what Trump meant, it's just political spin that keeps them from acknowledging it. ANYTHING to smear Trump with, ANYTHING. The biggest fattest lies will do.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
His own words will do. ANYTHING to ***** Trump with, ANYTHING. The biggest fattest lies will do.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
. twenty people lying to one telling the truth about what Trump said is a bit of overkill.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
No. No spin required at all. You're the one who is spinning his words, claiming he didn't "mean" what he quite obviously said. Only if you spin them....And our geese will blot out the sun.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
LFTSTS are truly accomplished LYRs.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3
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So we’re back to Trump talking about imaginary “good” people attending the White Supremacist rally.
Even trying to equate the two sides when one includes Charlottesville citizens who object to Nazis claiming the town’s streets, while the other consists of White Supremacists and - at best - their willing allies is too much. And Trump certainly did that.
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JonF Member (Idle past 196 days) Posts: 6174 Joined:
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When you have 100 Nazis and 100 people who choose to march with Nazis at an event organized by Nazis and advertised as an event for Nazis you have 200 Nazis.
Why do white supremacists and Nazis think Trump is one of them?
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
Trump is a truly accomplished liar, if you count quantity over quality. He's a truly transparent liar who could only fool the most gullible of right-wing nuts. LFTSTS are truly accomplished LYRs. ABE:Editing your posts to remove what people have already quoted is dishonest. Edited by ringo, : No reason given.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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marc9000 Member Posts: 1522 From: Ky U.S. Joined: Member Rating: 1.3 |
Have you ever heard of externalization? This is when a portion of the cost of producing a good or service is put on a third party without their consent. "Without their consent", and often also, without their objection. Governments shouldn't have free reign to be the sole judges of when the third party is objecting. And the U.S. government doesn't, according to the 9th and 10th amendments.
I had a boss that told me he used to dump all his used coolants into the river out behind the building. It would have cost him $1000s to dispose of them properly, but instead he put that cost on the communities that surround the river. Sure he was able to maximize his profit and sell his product at the lowest price possible... but at what cost to others who did not agree to bear the cost of producing his goods? That's an individual, one-on-one case that should be decided on an individual basis. What often figures in on cases like that though, is that the owner knows it only costs $500's to "dispose of it properly", while the other $500's goes into some special interest's pocket, like a politician or bureaucrat. Individual cases like that are much less controversial than others concerning freedoms, like all-encompassing auto emissions testing for example. (4th amendment)
Sure we can have cheap energy, but at what cost to third parties? Do coal miners agree to contract black lung when they take the job? Do we all agree to destroy our natural landscapes to allow the cheapest extraction of resources as possible? Do cities agree to smog and air pollution in order for factories to produce goods at the lowest cost possible? People, not government should decide these issues. 10th amendment again.
We don't agree to those things. One role of government is to protect the freedoms of the many from the freedoms of individuals. I think a good example is public smoking. I respect the rights of individuals to smoke, but when I go into a restaurant and the people at the table next to me are smoking, I am forced to share in that - without my consent (some may say I give consent by going to the restaurant, but there is nothing inherent about going to a restaurant that implies partaking in cigarette smoke). Fortunately, our state legislature decided to protect the communities right to go to public spaces and not smoke over the individuals right to smoke. People who smoke may not agree with my assessment here, and may feel like their individual freedoms have been restricted, but communities need to find this balance between individual freedoms and the freedoms of the community as a whole. People are still free to smoke, just not where it compromises other's freedom to not smoke. I've sure been on both sides of that issue, I used to smoke and I loved it. Now I'm old and I've quit and am less tolerant of smoke. Smokers and non-smokers used to be able to coexist - the tolerance went both ways. Maybe smokers started not caring who they bothered, maybe non-smokers were jealous of them enjoying it. Probably a combination of both. Anyone gets in my car with me and wants to smoke, and I say "sure, just put your window down a little and be considerate. I'll live".
Given a free hand, corporations will, without a doubt, externalize as much of the cost of producing their goods as possible to third parties. History proves that. Thus it is a major role of government to protect the public from excessive externalization. The BIG LIE of conservatives is that free markets will self correct and eliminate exploitation of these third parties. Free markets aren't perfect. But in most cases, they self correct better than a government that has less accountability for it's actions. Governments by nature, don't have the accountability for their actions that those in free markets do.
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marc9000 Member Posts: 1522 From: Ky U.S. Joined: Member Rating: 1.3 |
Well, aside from the historical fact that "suddenly ending slavery" was a minority position - and a very unpopular one at that, even in the North What's your source for that historical fact? The Emancipation Proclamation and 13th amendment are historical facts too - well documented ones.
- I'm kind of curious: What problems would have resulted from human beings no longer being property that would have justified continuing to deny a large number of human beings basic human dignity? The problems of not being able to support themselves. Just how cruel and mean slave owners were, or how much that cruelty varied among slave owners is impossible to measure, today or back then, but slaves did have one thing, a secure place to live and work. There might not have been many, but there were at least a few black people who wore Confederate uniforms.
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marc9000 Member Posts: 1522 From: Ky U.S. Joined: Member Rating: 1.3 |
I could understand it if the response was "he's better than the alternatives" but that's not it. That IS it, plain and simple.
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