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AdminIRH Inactive Member |
Only if you guys decide to stick to the topic.
Let's not derail this delightful thread with cheap laughs, shall we? *looks sternly at Charles* AdminIRH
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Christian7 Member (Idle past 279 days) Posts: 628 From: n/a Joined: |
I assume that since you wondered off topic, that you were not motivated to reply, witch means that what I posted did not fire you up. If you were sure you could go against it no matter how dum you were, surely you would have been eager to reply. Since you have not, and have displayed your disgusting sexual immoralities, I am going to assume this debate has been concluded in favor of the bible and christianity.
If you don't think so, it would be nice if you atleast try to flame us out with some more so called "Contradictory" versus or evidence.
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CK Member (Idle past 4158 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
Are you sure that reply is intended for AdminIRH? If you are replying to someone you need to click on THEIR message - not the last message in the thread.
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CK Member (Idle past 4158 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
What cheap laughs? My answers may be off topic but they are 100% serious.
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Christian7 Member (Idle past 279 days) Posts: 628 From: n/a Joined: |
Sorry. Anyway, we need to get back to the topic.
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
Agreed.
Why don't you respond to message 272?
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Christian7 Member (Idle past 279 days) Posts: 628 From: n/a Joined: |
quote: OK, let's say you can make any program you wan't but your nature is lazy. So you don't feel like it. You don't make programs. You still can do anything on the computer, you just can't because it is against your nature to spend a week, month or even year typing up lines and lines of code. God can do anything he wants. God made us perfect. He gave us the abilitiy to chose between right and wrong. God said, as long as we don't do just one little thing, everythin will be fine. No problems. We disobeyed God though. We turned against him. So it is our fault.
quote: You can easily move a feather but what if you don't believe you can move that feather by just taking you handing and pushing it. Then it becomes hard, because since you don't believe it, you don't do it.
quote: God gave you freewill. God wan'ts you to choose to love him of your own will, not be forced to. Jesus died for everyone. But if you don't wan't his substitute punisment you won't recieve it.
quote:God is giving us freewill. Keep that in mind. We are not robots. So he has to actually get the world to chose him of their own free will. Regardless of how powerfull he is, when you have freewill, can you just say, you all gona follow me? quote: It doesn't. That's the point. Thankyou for reinforcing it.
quote:Right. quote: Exactly what god does. But what if the child keeps ignoring the parent and saying get the hell away from me. In the old days, I heard that if you disrespected your parents they beat the crap out of you.
quote: Because the unvierse runs logically nested within the power of god and running off of it. If there was magic it would interrupt the laws of physics, this is not so with god, since the laws of physics and the universe are nested within the presence of God himself.
quote: OK, but that doesn't mess up my point. God made us in the way you suggested. That is more correct, yes.
quote:If God made the laws of physics then how can you find evidence in matter to prove that God made everything. And, even inspite of this, there is a tremendous load of evidence. I thauhgt you saw some but just didn't believe it. I guess you didn't see any. lol. quote: You forgot to add: Servant: God, he just won't believe me. Even though you keep trying to get through to him directly in his mind and through us, he still doesn't believe. I pray that one day he will realize his fault and accept you into his heart as his savior. The bible talks about extreme religious confusion in the end times and evidence against God. All you have to do is prey to God and ask him to help you believe without and open mind and not with a "OH YEA, PROOVE IT" attitude and he will. He isn't gona come out of nowehere take you hand and say, "YOUR DOIN THIS NOW!!!!! BECAUSE I AM GOD ALMIGHTY AND POWERFULL AND YOUR A LITTLE DIRT!!!" This message has been edited by Guidosoft, 01-08-2005 19:10 AM
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sidelined Member (Idle past 5938 days) Posts: 3435 From: Edmonton Alberta Canada Joined: |
Guidosoft
God can do anything he wants. God made us perfect. He gave us the abilitiy to chose between right and wrong. God said, as long as we don't do just one little thing, everythin will be fine. No problems. We disobeyed God though. We turned against him. So it is our fault. You are not referring to the Garden of Eden are you? How do you suppose we are responsible for that even if it were other than a fictional story? How about checking out message 23 in the Original Sin topic to discuss this since I have already made arguement there about this issue?
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ramoss Member (Idle past 642 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
So, the author of matthew didn't know this tankah.. that is all it means.
After all, God is not the son of man. , and the son of man does not bring salvation. As for the end of times.. people have been predicting the end of times since time began.. hasn't happened yet. Remember, this is just the biggest earthquake in 40 years.. and only the 4th biggest in the last 100. It was just at the wrong place though. The thing is, we have the technology for an early warning system. IT is just that this area is hit by tsunamis so infrequently that peoplejust didn't think important to put things up NOW. I wonder if we will get a warning system in place for the eastern seaboard before the shelf on the canary Islands goes?? That will bequite a bit worse. That is a natural disaster that will sooner or later happen, and potentially much more devistating than this one. Or, for that matter, the cauldra that is the yellow stone national park might just deciede to blow off.. that happens every 600K years or so.. and it was about 600,000 years ago that it did happen. That would be MUCH bigger than this tsunami. All of it is natural, All of it is reasonable predictable. And NONE of it means the end of times. This message has been edited by ramoss, 01-08-2005 21:16 AM
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 446 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
I guess you haven't read the rest of the thread?
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 446 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
No, thats not what I meant.
The Earthquake was recorded by Australian monitering equipment, and kind of knew that a tsunami would follow, but they did not do anything, or say anything because of political reasons. It was in the news and a well known fact.
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: So, are you saying that God is lazy, and that's why he doesn't save the innocent infants when he could? What is loving and just about that?
quote: So why does he let the innocent infants suffer and die? Does he want them to suffer and die?
quote: Are you referring to Adam and Eve eating from the tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil? How could they know right from wrong before they ate of the tree that would give them the knowledge of good and evil? Anyway, how could a just and loving god allow little innocent infants to suffer and die? A vengeful, spiteful God, yes, but not a loving, just God.
quote: Right. So why aren't you believing in Zeus right now? IT IS SO EASY!
quote: Did god make me as I am or not? Does he control everything in the universe or not? How can he, if I have free will? How can He be all-powerful if I can chooses to do something he doesn't want? If he is all-powerful, then free will is an illusion.
quote: So then he didn't die for everyone. He died only for believers. Gosh, you sure do contradict yourself a lot.
God sounds emotionally needy, too. quote: Maybe you misunderstood. Saying that someone is "emotionally needy" is not a compliment. It is usually a sign that a person has a low self-esteem and needs constant validation from others because they have no inner feelings of self-worth.
How does a parent encorage a loving relationship with their child? 1) Telling the child often that they love them. 2) Showing the child, through their actions, that they care about them and are concerned with their well-being (feeding them, making sure they are warm and safe, teaching them, listening to them, etc.) 3) Making sure the rules of conduct are very clearly laid out, are age-appropriate and fully understood, and the discipline fits the offense, and is consistently applied, never in anger. The child should always completely understand why they are being disciplined. quote: Is that a fact? Let's go through the list, shall we? 1) I have never heard God tell me he loves me. I have never, in fact, ever seen or experienced anything that I took to be God-like, even when I was a believer. 2) God has let millions of people, including infants and children starve, suffer, and die needless deaths, for millenia. Billions have prayed to God to help them, but God didn't do anything to help them. He didn't listen. 3) God's rules of conduct are muddy and unclear. There are tens of thousands of Christian denominations in the US alone, and each of them interpret the rules of behavior and belief differently. That's not counting the thousands of other world religons that are currently practiced or have been in the past. He seems to punish some people who have not disobeyed anyone and bless some people who have murdered or swindled thousands. He is inconsistent.
quote: Are you saying that only disobedient people are punished by God, and obedient followers are only blessed? Why, this isn't what we see in reality at all, is it?
How do I tell the difference between God's actions and magic? quote: How is that different from magic?
quote: Why is that neccessarily so?
quote: How so?
No, actually, we aren't programed to think very logically. We are programed to think pragmatically and to make quick, practical judgements about if something is dangerous, or if it is likely to be food, etc. quote: Of course it messes up your point! You said that the universse is logical and that humans were created to be logical, and that this is evidence that we were created by God. We are NOT logical creatures, so this contradicts your point.
In fact? Which facts can you show me that are evidence that God did that? quote: I don't know. You tell me.
quote: Right, I didn't see any. That's why I asked you to provide some of theis "tremendous load" of evidence. Please do.
quote: I tried that. It didn't work. Also, can you please do the same for Zeus? IT IS SO EASY!
quote: Why not? Can't god do anything? Does he want me to go to Hell for using my mind that He made for me in the way He knew I would use it? Or, is he not really all-powerful and he cannot do these things, even though he knows (because he made me) that this is what I would require for belief? This message has been edited by schrafinator, 01-09-2005 10:51 AM
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Christian7 Member (Idle past 279 days) Posts: 628 From: n/a Joined: |
It's not fiction.
One sec, I will answer other things, I just wan'ted to reply real quick but I got to look at the other one's.
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Christian7 Member (Idle past 279 days) Posts: 628 From: n/a Joined: |
Why? I am trying to reply but no one wan't to give me time to type.
Nothing has even been concluded yet it's so open right now.
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