If you believe in god, you have to believe in leprechauns.

Okay, the only problem with this whole question is that, as has been already stated, FAITH IS IRRATIIONAL.Faith is the knowlege of things which are not seen which are true. You don't need proof to have faith. All you need is a burning feeling and you know it's true. I have personally experienced God's love, devotion, and prescence. God is real, even though you have decided that you need tangible proof. You want tangible proof? The earth.You may say that that is what this is all about. Did God create the Earth? Yes he did. Is it then possible for the Big Bang to have taken place? Yes, it is. Is Evolution correct? No. Is evolution logical? no.The reason I say that the Big Bang may have taken place, is that they Hebrew word that has been translated to create, doesn't mean bring out of mid-air. It means bring together to build. Therefore, the Big Bang may have happened with the Lord's prompting. Our Heavenly Father rules the sky, the air, and eveything else. He can make whatever He likes happen.

Welcome to EvC Rosie. I hope you stay awhile and join in.I'd like you to watch the topic, ok?The big bang, evolution etc. isn't really pertinant to the topic of this thread. There are a whole bunch of topics where you could post your ideas to if you want.I hope you spend some time reading over what has been posted. You might understand from that reading that if you wish to make statements about evolution being incorrect or illogical you will be jumped on by half a dozen ravenous posters and be expected to defend what you say.Good luck!

How can you tell the difference between hallucination and revelation from god if there is absolutely no physical evidence? http://EvC Forum: Evolution: Science or Religion?http://EvC Forum: The Religious Nature of Evolution, or Lack ThereofEither of these threads you can discuss the illogical part of the theory of evolution.Added by edit.Also, a logician you are not. Would you like to show the logical proof that shows evolution is illogical? Yes, I want the math part, step by step.This message has been edited by Lam, 12-03-2004 03:49 PM

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Hate world.Revenge soon!

The earth proves the earth's existence, not God's. Like, say, the laws of physics that necessitate that evolution will occur?

Close to but not reallys stepping too much off topic. Thanks Lam for the posting of the correct places.Let's not let Rosie's inexperienced post pull this off topic though.Thanks

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Faith is the knowlege of things which are not seen which are true.

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Actually, faith is the belief that something is true in the absence of knowledge derived through evidence.

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You don't need proof to have faith.

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Well, of course you don't need proof. If you had proof you wouldn't need faith. Faith is a belief in something without proof.

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I have personally experienced God's love, devotion, and prescence. God is real, even though you have decided that you need tangible proof.

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And that is often the evidence that christians rely on. However, it is subjective evidence since those experiences can only be experienced by you. I am not saying you are wrong to believe in God, or that you are an irrational, brainless, religious sycophant. This type of evidence is good enough for you, that's fine. What you have to realize is that not everyone relies on this type of evidence to judge what is truth and what is not.

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You want tangible proof? The earth.

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I can use the same argument to prove that aliens exist. Did aliens create the Earth? Yes. Therefore, the earth is proof that aliens exist. There is nothing in your argument that would separate the Christian God from any other deity, even dieties I can cook up at a moments notice. This is the whole point of this topic. There is nothing that you can show me that would prove the existence of the Christian God and ONLY the Christian God. That is where faith comes in, belief in the existence of God without evidence that, first, He exists, and second, that no other supernatural beings exist.

Actually, you are making some rather wrong statemetns there.1) Evolution is correct. We have evidence for it. We can demonstrate it in the labratory. It makes predictions.2) Because of the facts above, we can say evolution is logical. It follows specific rules.3) The fact of evolution is that it occures. The theory is about HOW exactly does it occur, and why it occurs.

Ahhh, but you haven't convinced me that it is true. I think that the theory is as bogus as spontaneous generation.I have quit a bit of reason to doubt, but I'm am leading everyone off topic, so I'll take this to another thread if you don't mind. See you in the evolution discussions.

Are you talking about proving God exists or evidence that God might exist? You seem to use the terms interchangably but they are quite different.

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If you say there no absolutes, I ask you, are you absolutely sure?

I am famaliar with good ol' Anselm. I figured I had heard the argument Lam was refrencing, but I didn't want to seem too arrogant. I don't know why I felt that way... I usually don't.

My quote of the definition of Faith, is taken directly on a scripture that the form of Christianity that I am uses, that others don't.I don't think that you have to accept my experience, but someday you may just experience that as well, so be warned.Just so you know, I believe in aliens. Not Martians, there is no proof of that and I doubt there ever will be, but I do believe that there are other races of people out there in our universe, maybe even galaxy, but solar system? I don't really think so, because we haven't found any trace of them. That is something I do need visible, tangible evidence for, because unlike a supernatural being, God, life forms are matter. God, I believe is also matter, but in a different way that is very hard to explain, sort of one of those unexplainable things. I know I will be attacked for that, so please don't.I hope I have everything.

A question for everyone. Are Mormons technically Christians?This message has been edited by GoodIntentions, 12-03-2004 05:33 PM

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I personally think that inter-racial marriage isn't a good idea either, so don't use that one against me. -- Rosie Cotton

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A question for everyone. Are Mormons technically Christians?

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I don't think there is an official committee that decides who's in and who's out of the christian realm. They call themselves christians, so I guess that makes them christians. They are called "The Church of Jesus Christ and Latter Day Saints". Since they believe in Jesus Christ that would make them Christians.

Yes, but they do not use the same bible that the rest of Christianity (if it can be referred to like that).

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I personally think that inter-racial marriage isn't a good idea either, so don't use that one against me. -- Rosie Cotton

Yes, Mormons are technically Christians, but we won't go into that one as it isn't the thread. If you want to email me to discuss that, go ahead. You're also taking me out of context there with my "I don't think inter-racial marriage is a good idea either" which I won't comment on for fear of saying something that I will regret later.If you want to start a thread about whether Mormons are Christians or not, I'll follow you there.We do use the same bible, just the King James version, which is more original than the American Standard. I think you may be confused since we also have something called the Book of Mormon, which is just another book. Something like how some use the apocrapha and some don't.Also, thanks to Loudmouth for defending Mormons earlier.This message has been edited by Rosie Cotton, 12-03-2004 05:42 PMThis message has been edited by Rosie Cotton, 12-03-2004 05:47 PM