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Jon Inactive Member |
My understanding is also that there are some technical legal issues with the new Medicaid rules which make this much easier now which has caused some states to look at it. All we need is a couple of them to get the ball rolling and they could even form inter-state/regional pools. I'm not going to say this doesn't set wonderful precedents. But there was nothing there before that stopped states from implementing single-payer systems. They get more funding now, but they have always had the right to do as they please in this regard.
Under the ACA, the poor are essentially entitled to coverage no matter where they live. A single payer state may still be attractive in terms of lower insurance cost, which really only affects those who are paying for the premiums themselves. States can refuse Medicaid funds.Love your enemies!
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Jon Inactive Member |
The main fear is being forced into a system. The problem is that once forced to participate in this system, people might find all their fears validated.Love your enemies!
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saab93f Member (Idle past 1425 days) Posts: 265 From: Finland Joined:
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Coming from a country with a long history of universal healthcare I am more than puzzled by the significance ot the issue. I know it is somewhat simplified but why are Americans not against socialized police forces or fire brigades?
My heart breaks every time I read about families who have lost everything theyve owned because of treating an illness or a recovery from an accident. That is exactly what society is for - to take care of each and everyone of us in times of need.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 315 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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Coming from a country with a long history of universal healthcare I am more than puzzled by the significance ot the issue. I know it is somewhat simplified but why are Americans not against socialized police forces or fire brigades? Because there's no private police forces or fire brigades around to bribe politicians into opposing socialized police forces or fire brigades.
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xongsmith Member Posts: 2587 From: massachusetts US Joined: Member Rating: 7.0 |
Jon notes:
The Medicaid expansion is a nice inclusion. But it is still only effective for the poor. 70% of this country are considered poor by the fuckers at the top. Actually the Supremes kind of neutered the expansion. - nate- xongsmith, 5.7d
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Jon Inactive Member
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Coming from a country with a long history of universal healthcare I am more than puzzled by the significance ot the issue. I know it is somewhat simplified but why are Americans not against socialized police forces or fire brigades? I'm not against universal socialized healthcare. And this mandate might help our country in that direction. But this mandate is not socialized healthcare. It's really just a mess. Perhaps a necessary mess for the time being; but still a mess.Love your enemies!
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Buzsaw Inactive Member
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xongsmith writes: But now providers will have to use 80% of the money to actually do health care. Or something like that. So what does that leave the stockholders of the insurer's for a net profit? It will likely eliminate private insurers, expanding the role of government to become public insurer. It will necessarily raise the taxes of the private sector who ultimately fund the ever expanding totalian regime ruling the former republic of the people. It will ultimately lead to Canada's socialized medicine model, where healthcare can be very difficult to get due to the lack of MD's, and options which the US has afforded. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future. Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool."
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Jon Inactive Member
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It will likely eliminate private insurers, expanding the role of government to become public insurer. Let's hope so!
It will necessarily raise the taxes of the private sector... Let's hope so!
It will ultimately lead to Canada's socialized medicine model... Let's hope so! Edited by Jon, : Added more hope...Love your enemies!
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Roberts, a relatively conservative Republican may be turning the tables on the activist liberal judges on the court who have rendered judgements tainted with politics.
Roberts may be, of necessity, applying a bit of political chess here with the liberal members. He may be considering the ramifications of the broken promises of Obama to increase taxes and other negative factors of the bill which will be aired by election day. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future. Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool."
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
He may be considering the ramifications of the broken promises of Obama to increase taxes and other negative factors of the bill which will be aired by election day. So Obama promised to raise taxes and has broken that promise?Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Jon writes:
It will likely eliminate private insurers, expanding the role of government to become public insurer.
Let's hope so!
It will necessarily raise the taxes of the private sector... Let's hope so!
It will ultimately lead to Canada's socialized medicine model... Let's hope so! Yes, again, because the sheeple who believed Obama's campaign promises of no tax raises for them will be also paying for all of this, via raised taxes, etc. Edited by Buzsaw, : SpellingBUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future. Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool."
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Jon Inactive Member |
quote: Obama's campaign promises of no tax raises I'm more than a little confused by this... Anyone else?Love your enemies!
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Buzsaw Inactive Member
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jar writes: So Obama promised to raise taxes and has broken that promise? I mis-spoke. I mant to say who promised not to raise taxes.
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Wasn't that Daddy Bush?
And what is wrong with higher taxes if you actually get a return on the investment in taxes? Edited by jar, : Fix blameAnyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Rahvin Member Posts: 4046 Joined: Member Rating: 8.3
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It will ultimately lead to Canada's socialized medicine model, where healthcare can be very difficult to get due to the lack of MD's, and options which the US has afforded. It's not difficult at all to receive treatment in Canada. But even if it were, it's both comical and reprehensible that you would suggest that a wait time is somehow worse than letting poor people just not get treatment. Because that's the current US system. Resources are limited in the US just as much as anywhere else, there aren't an infinite supply of doctors anywhere. The US prioritizes treatment based on ability to pay, while Canada prioritizes treatment based on medical need.The human understanding when it has once adopted an opinion (either as being the received opinion or as being agreeable to itself) draws all things else to support and agree with it. - Francis Bacon "There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs." - John Rogers A world that can be explained even with bad reasons is a familiar world. But, on the other hand, in a universe suddenly divested of illusions and lights, man feels an alien, a stranger. His exile is without remedy since he is deprived of the memory of a lost home or the hope of a promised land. This divorce between man and his life, the actor and his setting, is properly the feeling of absurdity. — Albert Camus "...the pious hope that by combining numerous little turds ofvariously tainted data, one can obtain a valuable result; but in fact, the outcome is merely a larger than average pile of shit." Barash, David 1995.
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