DRUGS!

I was saying that drug use can negatively impact the brain permanently in adolescence which is entirely different from what sugar temporarily does to an adolescent.

What do you classify as a 'drug'?

Then you go on to say Despite the fact that others have said that they do retain the ability to reason you still insist you are right. The fact that you have not done any drugs makes me think that you do not have the expertise to judge the situation.I have tried several drugs. I have no regrets that I quit (smoking and coffee still have a hold on me), but when I look back I would not have to say that my regrets lie in the fact that I was "less than an animal". This is not the same as claiming that a person on drugs is irrational and does not retain the ability to reason. There are a lot of things that one should not do in excess, hence the saying "in moderation". I think you are going to have a tough time trying to prove that all drugs makes one "less than an animal" when you have no personal experience to judge. ( Personal experience is not even factual, as each person will have different reactions)

Pally, I abused the crap out of several drugs as a (late) adolescent and went on to complete by batchelor's and PhD in chemistry. And have been making a nice living from chemistry for nearly 30 years. Don't worry yourself too much about me - or my morality, either.

There is a possibility that you developed fully early on, but as you said I won't worry about you. This board needs all the legitimacy it can get.Edited by -messenjah of one, : neeeds

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( Personal experience is not even factual, as each person will have different reactions)

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You have single-handedly destroyed everyone else's arguments (along with your criticism of my argument)! Congratulations.

Alcohol and the illegal ones.

I just found this thread and have finished reading it. These kinds of threads allow us to get to know one another a little better, for sure. I have some tid bits to share for what they're worth.1. I grew up being taught in church that Biblical wine was not alcoholic and that drinking wine today was sinful. Well, that's what's cool about daily Bible reading on your own as well as church. It became clear from the scriptures, both OT and NT that drinking wine was not immoral or sinful. If it was, Jesus would have been a sinner. They had to use new wineskins because the new wine (working) would break the old wineskins, so it was fermented et al. King David had his wine cellars.I began drinking wine and beer moderately and carefully in my twenties. It did not go over well with family or church but neither did some other differences like being a health food faddist into wholistic healing, some of my prophecy interpretations, et al, et al. I didn't fit into some churches much better than I fit in here but hey, I'm my own person and need to live life, think and do what I believe is right and scriptural.2. I've never smoked a cigarett, did drugs, either perscription or otherwise except once when the doc put me on Librium. Well that ended up to be a nightmare about 35 years or so ago and nearly wiped me out so haven't taken a drug of any kind since.3. The red wine has resveritral in it naturally which is very good for the arteries and health in general. The problem with most modern wines and beers is that they have nitrites in them (poison), and they are grown on worn out soils meaning they lack much of the nutrients and dope you up with the bad chemicals used in growing and processing the wine. I drink very little wine but likely would drink more if I got around to making my own.4. The Bible says wine is a mocker meaning it will destroy you if you don't drink very carefully. The same, of course goes for beer.5. I find that when I drink a glass of wine I get a small high where it actually clears my mind but it doesn't last for long, leaving me somewhat sluggish. However with a significant meal, it has little effect except to add a little cheer to the heart on occasion. That's why at the wedding feast they could drink more after Jesus made more up out of water. With a feast the effect appears to be that of making folks amiable and friendly, et al. I believe the nitrites in modern wine are part of the problem with sluggishness and hangovers when no excessive amounts have been consumed.6. The problem with my evangelical Christian friends is that so many of them consume all kinds of junk foods like ice cream, candy, white sugar and white flour products et al et al and judge others for drinking a little wine, when in fact, some wine would help suds out their arteries so as to counter some of the fatty junk that clogs them up and sends them either to the rest home to be a burden to others or an early grave. Both of these things happened to my poor ole mom % dad who were very intelligent folks normally. My mom had MS for about 40 years but had a good mind all those years being an invalid but my dad lost his thinking ability in his sixties. He ate a big bowl of ice cream about every night before bed but wouldn't touch a drop of wine or beer.Btw, I drink Rolling Rock beer, maybe 3 or 4 bottles a week. We get Johnson Estate wine which is quite good and fairly cheap from NY state but it does have nitrites so we don't bib much of it. Once every 10 days or so I drink two or three hefty glasses of wine for a general flush out of the gut and that it does for me quite nicely. Rolling Rock Beer didn't have nitrites in it in the past and I'm hoping it still doesn't.7. Our friend is right in that drunkenness is immoral and sinful, at least according to the Bible. It says drunkards (habitual) will not enter Heaven. I believe it was Jesus that said that or maybe Paul.8. IMO THE GREATEST SIN AND TRAVESTY IN THE WORLD AND ESPECIALLY IN AMERICA, BAR NONE, IS THE MONEY DRIVEN MEDICAL ESTABLISHMENT WHICH IS IN THE FAT POCKETS OF THE DRUG COMPANIES AND THE ABUSE BY THE PHARMACEUTICALS. THIS IS KILLING, MAIMING AND SICKENING HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF IGNORANT FOLKS WHO THINK THIS IS THE WAY TO GO WHEN IN FACT THERE ARE FAR CHEAPER, MORE EFFECTIVE AND SAFER ALTERNATIVES VIA THE WHOLISTIC NATUROPATH DRUGLESS REMEDIES. AMERICA IS "DYING FOR THE LACK OF KNOWLEDGE," AS THE BIBLE PUTS IT DUE TO THIS CURSE WHICH IS ENRICHING THE MDs & PHARMACEUTICALS AND MAKING AMERICA, THE RICH NATION ONE OF THE SICKEST CULTURES EVER TO EXIST IN HISTORY. WE LIVE LONG, SICK LIVES CONSTANTLY ENRICHING THE MDS AND DRUG CARTELS WHO KEEP PROPING UP AND PATCHING UP OUR FLABBY DOPED UP AND BROKEN DOWN BODIES, NOT TO MENTION OUR FOGGED UP MINDS, BEING ALSO DULLED BY OUR LIFESTYLES, MIND BOGGLING HABBITS AND DEFICIENT DIETS.CHEERS AND A HEARTY TOAST B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW Edited by Buzsaw, : spelling

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Quit trolling.

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ROTFLMAO!!!Thanks, that made my day.

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One can never recognize all of anyone's needs, even one's own.

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Yes one can if one is at the pinnacle of human reasoning.

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Really!Can someone who is "at the pinncacle of human reasoning" tell if their friend has a slight selenium deficiency?

I take issue with that, my friend. Drunkenness caused both Noah and Lot to mess up and has been causing folks to kill, steal, abuse and otherwise cause all kinds of immoral havoc in society ever since. It has a natural tendency to desensitize your moral inhibitions, as does some drugs, including psychiatric prescription drugs like prozac, ridilin et al.

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Many posters have written that is impossible for messenjah to understand why it is wrong to drink and do drugs when he hasn't yet experienced them.Many here may have probably felt that this argument was flawed but could not pinpoint why.One can avoid certain danger by using foresight. But more importantly one can use reason to come to a correct conclusion on the matter.Like I always say, reason is the scientist's second best best weapon!What has been said parallels this humorous jib-jab: Messenjah: It is bad to jump off of cliffs.
All: No it isn't!
Messenjah: It's dangerous, one could die, rocks hurt.
All: But you can't know that... you haven't experienced jumping off of a cliff yet.
All: Good one guys.
All: Let's go have a beer and play poker.
All: Awesome, I’m better when I’m drunk.
All: Actually I’m a better person when I’m drunk.
All: Wow, me too!
All: Sweet.Who said a nature lover couldn't be funny?But you see that for one to insist that one must experience drugs before one knows that they are harmful or immoral is an irrational and outrageous claim!Thanks,
Mo(I have an avatar, but for some reason it won't come up, figured I'd get going with the full set-up )

Interesting that you see it that way. Perhaps you could explain why? It is a fact that each person will react differently to things. Is a person who drinks too much water and has a reaction "less than an animal"? How about a diabetic that eats chocolate?You seem to have drawn a line in the sand, perhaps you could explain where that line is before declaring victory. You have no personal experience in any of the areas being talked about here. Me stating that people have different reactions to things is hardly a groundbreaking event.

Chris or Charlie which ever one this is...you know better. Suspended indefinitely. Along with the other names you've registered.

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Which is why I used the word "blockade". The point I was trying to make to moo was that drunkenness isn't (or shouldn't be) an excuse for bad behaviour.

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