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Author Topic:   humans closest living relative apes/pigs?
LouieP
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Message 1 of 18 (449351)
01-17-2008 6:53 PM


i believe that our closest living relative based on genetics is the ape is this correct? i also have heard that it may be the pig.
Which is it, if either, and if it is not the pig why does it seem that pigs are the animals of choice for human heart transplants?
Thanks

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molbiogirl
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Message 2 of 18 (449360)
01-17-2008 7:11 PM
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01-17-2008 6:53 PM


Which is it, if either, and if it is not the pig why does it seem that pigs are the animals of choice for human heart transplants?
Pig hearts are closest re: size and output. But pigs aren't the only animal donors. A chimp to human transplant was completed in 1964. (It was unsuccessful -- chimp hearts are too small.)
Most human heart transplants, however, are from human donors. And by most, I mean 99.99%.
A doctor in India got caught using pig hearts in 1997. He was arrested and jailed. Nature. 1997 Jan 30;385(6615):378.
i believe that our closest living relative based on genetics is the ape is this correct? i also have heard that it may be the pig.
Scientists Decipher Genetic Sequence of Chimpanzee, Closest Relative of Human Beings
Oops!
If I may, Louie, both of your questions are SO easily answered via google. Is there any particular reason you chose to ask them here rather than look for the answer yourself?

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anglagard
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Message 3 of 18 (449375)
01-17-2008 7:35 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by molbiogirl
01-17-2008 7:11 PM


Just a Caution
molbiogirl writes:
If I may, Louie, both of your questions are SO easily answered via google. Is there any particular reason you chose to ask them here rather than look for the answer yourself?
Maybe he desired to get an answer from a reputable authority rather than some YEC or 6th grader's personal website. Don't sell yourself short.
I have been researching vestigial muscles lately and half the web pages on Google are some rant about how there are no vestigial structures. It is the same experience I often have when researching other creo buzzwords, like radioisotope dating or physical anthropology. Just going to Google, without evaluating the quality of the source for reliable information is even worse than taking Wikipedia as an infallible oracle.
I would be cautious about saying just Goggle the information to someone who may not have a decent academic background in the subject in question.
Besides, there are no stupid questions, just willfully ignorant ideologues with web access.

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The more we understand particular things, the more we understand God - Spinoza

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molbiogirl
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Message 4 of 18 (449399)
01-17-2008 8:40 PM
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01-17-2008 7:35 PM


Re: Just a Caution
I have been researching vestigial muscles lately and half the web pages on Google are some rant about how there are no vestigial structures. It is the same experience I often have when researching other creo buzzwords, like radioisotope dating or physical anthropology. Just going to Google, without evaluating the quality of the source for reliable information is even worse than taking Wikipedia as an infallible oracle.
Oh, I hear you, Angla. Lawdy. Some topics simply cannot be researched on google. Can NOT. I gave up on trying to find a definition for "human" after page after page of creo garbage.
One alternative is scholar.google. Yeah, you get a bunch of science papers, but at least you can be sure of their credibility.

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Coyote
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Message 5 of 18 (449411)
01-17-2008 9:13 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by LouieP
01-17-2008 6:53 PM


Our closest living relative is the chimpanzee.

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LouieP
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Message 6 of 18 (449434)
01-17-2008 10:04 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by molbiogirl
01-17-2008 7:11 PM


thanks for all the info

i'll spend a little more time googling the simpler questions.

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Taz
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Message 7 of 18 (449436)
01-17-2008 10:07 PM
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01-17-2008 7:11 PM


molbiogirl writes:
If I may, Louie, both of your questions are SO easily answered via google. Is there any particular reason you chose to ask them here rather than look for the answer yourself?
Again, Jesus Christ, molbio. I'm personally anti-google and I only use it when absolutely necessary. Why? Because it is full of crap. The only sure way you don't get caught in the crap trap is if you already know something about the subject.
Are you always this cranky to newbies in real life?

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molbiogirl
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Message 8 of 18 (449460)
01-17-2008 10:49 PM
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01-17-2008 10:07 PM


Yo, Taz. Chill.

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arachnophilia
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Message 9 of 18 (449467)
01-17-2008 11:26 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by LouieP
01-17-2008 6:53 PM


i believe that our closest living relative based on genetics is the ape is this correct? i also have heard that it may be the pig.
no, pig tastes the most like human.
pigs are also good analogs for humans in various sorts of tests (mythbusters!) because they are roughly the same size and weight, have similar muscles and skin, and are readily available at your local butcher's.


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Taz
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Message 10 of 18 (449469)
01-17-2008 11:28 PM
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01-17-2008 11:26 PM


arach writes:
no, pig tastes the most like human.
You know this how?

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arachnophilia
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Message 11 of 18 (449472)
01-17-2008 11:41 PM
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01-17-2008 11:28 PM


google it if you don't believe me.

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Taz
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Message 12 of 18 (449473)
01-17-2008 11:46 PM
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01-17-2008 11:41 PM


You're lucky I don't have the stomach for spiders tonight.

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EighteenDelta
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Message 13 of 18 (449481)
01-18-2008 12:06 AM
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01-17-2008 11:28 PM


They don't call it 'long pork' for nothing.
-x

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Dr Adequate
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Message 14 of 18 (449493)
01-18-2008 3:53 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by LouieP
01-17-2008 6:53 PM


i also have heard that it may be the pig.
Then the person who told you that was a stupid goddamn liar.
Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

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DrJones*
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Message 15 of 18 (449495)
01-18-2008 5:25 AM
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01-17-2008 11:26 PM


no, pig tastes the most like human.
or you could go with Hufu

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