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mike the wiz writes:

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did iliad or anyone in it die for your sin?

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No. The afterlife doesn't work that way. Whether you end up in Tartarus or the Elysian Fields has nothing to do with whether or not anybody else died for you. It has only to do with what you did.

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indeed is the iliad the best selling book in the world , no

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What does that have to do with anything?Do you seriously think that if it weren't for the various religious organizations going out of their way to spread the Bible around, it would survive?By the way, if you're going to go by numbers, then I suggest you start learning Arabic...it seems that the number of Christians in the world is decreasing while the number of Muslims is increasing.

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the majority of people on earth are you offering them something better?

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Incorrect. The majority of people on earth are not Christian. Only about one-third are.Going by the numbers, most people on this planet think you're god is nothing more than a fantasy you made up.------------------
Rrhain
WWJD? JWRTFM!

crashfrog:

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Since he's so certain that negatives can be proved, I'd like to see him tackle this one.

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Don't be silly.Just because some negatives can be proven doesn't mean all negatives can be proven. After all, in an axiomatic system sophisticated enough to model arithmetic, there are statements that cannot be proven even though there are statements that can be.All squares are rectangles. Not all rectangles are squares.------------------
Rrhain
WWJD? JWRTFM!

mike the wiz responds to me:

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Going by the numbers, most people on this planet think you're god is nothing more than a fantasy you made up.

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i did not make the bible up

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I didn't say you did.What I said was that going by the numbers, most people on this planet think your ("you're"? Oy!) god is nothing more than a fantasy you made up.Are you saying that the Bible is your god?

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it says everything in it is true and can you disprove it?

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I can disprove the statement that "everything in it is true."For example, Daniel 5 claims that Belshazzar is the son of Nebuchadnezzar:Dainel 5:2: Belshazzar, whiles he tasted the wine, commanded to bring the golden and silver vessels which his father Nebuchadnezzar had taken out of the temple which was in Jerusalem; that the king, and his princes, his wives, and his concubines, might drink therein.But there's a problem...Belshazzar isn't Nebuchadnezzar's son.Nebuchadnezzar died in 562 BCE and was succeeded by his son Awil-Marduk who was murdered in 560 BCE by his brother-in-law, Nergal-shar-usar, who took his place and was succeeded by Nabonidus in 556 BCE, who was the last king of Babylon.Now, Balshazzar was indeed the son of someone...Nabonidus, but he wasn't a king. He was a viceroy. And he wasn't the son of Nebuchadnezzar.Therefore, the statement "everything in it is true" is shown to be false.Does that mean nothing in it is true? Of course not. But, I wasn't trying to show that. Instead, I was simply showing that the statement "everything in it is true" isn't true.

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No. The afterlife doesn't work that way. Whether you end up in Tartarus or the Elysian Fields has nothing to do with whether or not anybody else died for you. It has only to do with what you did

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where as in the bible nothing we do is worthy of heaven.

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That's not what the Bible says:Matthew 16:27: For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works.Seems that salvation comes from works, not faith.

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the only way to heaven is Jesus Christ who does not require us to physically fight anyone!

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But if Jesus is god, why did god command so many people to kill others: Exodus 32:27, Numbers 15:35, 1 Samuel 15:2-3.Granted, that's the Old Testament, not a direct statement of Jesus, but many Christians seem to think that Jesus includes all of the Old Testament. In fact, Jesus pretty much goes along with it (not surprising since Jesus was Jewish):Matthew 5:18: For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.Of course, the Bible seems to think that those who aren't Christian are people to be despised:1 Corinthians 16:22: If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha.------------------
Rrhain
WWJD? JWRTFM!

mike the wiz responds to me:

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That's not what the Bible says:

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Matthew 16:27: For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works.

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Seems that salvation comes from works, not faith.

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No, you have misinterpreted it.

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How? What, specifically, am I missing? Have I cut too much out of the quote such that context is missing?Be specific.

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works are required to confirm our faith because faith without works is dead.

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But that isn't what he's saying. In fact, the specific comment in Matthew 16:27 is pretty much a stand-alone line. Jesus is on a rant, whoever shall save his life shall lose it, whoever loses it shall save it, what does it profit a man to gain the world and lose his soul, all that stuff, and then he spits it out:Matthew 16:27: For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works.It's crystal clear: Salvation comes through works, not faith.

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He is talking about rewarding people who believe,

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No, not believe. Do. You have to take up your cross.

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remember it clearly says the only way to heaven is through Jesus ,him being the way the truth and the life.

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It doesn't say that at all in this passage. Not even close:16:24: Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.16:25: For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.16:26: For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?16:27: For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.No talk of faith...Jesus is talking only about works.

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So you are wrong in this interpretation.

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No, I'm not.

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What I said was that going by the numbers, most people on this planet think your ("you're"? Oy!) god is nothing more than a fantasy you made up.

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can you prove these people think that?

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Oh...I get it...we can trust the numbers when they tell us how many people are Christian, but as soon as we start looking at the numbers for how many aren't Christian, then it's all just a plot.There are more than six billion people on the planet.Only about 2 billion of them are Christian. And those numbers are shrinking.Now you tell me...if only one-third of the planet is of your religion, what do you think the other two-thirds thinks of your religion?Perhaps they might think that you're wrong?

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and what i am saying is i did not make him up because he is told of in his word.

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Circular reasoning.I am told of in my word.Ergo, I am god.

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Of course, the Bible seems to think that those who aren't Christian are people to be despised:

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so everyone can get to heaven through works yet outsiders are despised,i don't think so i think you should read it again!

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I have. I even quoted the specific passage to you (which I notice you cut out).Are you saying that passage doesn't exist?------------------
Rrhain
WWJD? JWRTFM!