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you'll probably be attacked by the same old , 'wheres your proof , arguements from the usual evo fans, however your faith is better than their fruitless attacks

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If someone strolls out in public and starts telling people what to believe, why do you see it as an attack if the response is, "why should I believe that?"

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let no fool convince you that their is no God as they are for sure faithless!!!

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People with no faith in God are not necessarily faithless. Their faith is simply not directed where you would like it to be.------------------
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however what they lack is faith in God!!!

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And?

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yes but for some reason evos think we should know every silly little question and if we dont know we are wrong

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Or that you simply shouldn't expect anyone else to believe you.

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it is clearly stated in the new testament that whoever believes is saved , this is why i think you should believe

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It is clearly stated in The Iliad that if a warrior falls in battle he will live forever in the Elysian Fields. Are you rushing out to grab your spear?

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i know its a cynical world but i do want people to believe for their own sakes believe it or not.

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and your arguments are feeble to say the least.

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This from the guy who didn't want anyone attacking him.

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did iliad or anyone in it die for your sin?

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Ahem... first of all, Iliad is not a person, and cannot die for anything.Secondly, you're entirely missing the point. Why should what one book says be more convincing than what another says? Both refer to supernatural occurances, including God (or gods), both tell you how you can go to paradise after you die.So why aren't you making sacrifices to Zeus?Because writing something down doesn't make it true.

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indeed is the iliad the best selling book in the world , no , why ,cos the bible is , and the millions who believe , the majority of people on earth

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So it's numbers that matter now? Well... leaving aside the fact that this means Britney Spears is the best musician in the world right now...Islam is the most widely practiced religion on the planet. (If you don't lump all different sects of Christianity into one group.) Are you going to start praying towards Mecca now that everybody's doing it?Of course not. Because saying that high numbers of believers is proof that you should believe would be a basic logical fallacy. Argumentum ad populum.

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are you offering them something better?

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well first of all winnie the pooh is fiction based were as the bible is fact based.

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As is the Iliad. It's the story of the Trojan War."Based" is the key word here.

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not really but the vast majority of people buy the bible more than any other book because they believe it true, you asked for one reason and i gave it.

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And that reason was a logical fallacy.

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well personally i prefer pink floyd , however what has this got to do with the bible.

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You brought up sales. By the standards you were using, it makes Britney Spears the best musician out there right now. Again, it's a logical fallacy.

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but dont insist that there is no truth in the word of God to me because i wont believe it

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Who said you had to? But what you seem to want is to deliver a sermon, not have a discussion.Which makes me wonder why you're posting your opinions on a discussion board.

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ending replies here as i am sick of people coming back to me on this

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Again, if you want to deliver sermons without response, this may not be the best venue.

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if i dont believe in trucks it doesn't mean one wont hit me if i walk on to a motorway , i'll leave you with that thought

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Mike... no one's trying to attack you, or change your mind, or get you to deny your faith or anything. If you want to believe in Christianity, go right ahead.But if you're going to stroll out in public and start telling people that they should also believe in Christianity, they're going to ask you why they should. If your reasons don't meet their standards, they're going to point out why that is.If you want to read that as an attack, that's your business.------------------
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i never have done this

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this is why i think you should believe

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And if I'm not mistaken (which I might well be), wasn't it fairly common practice in the Roman Empire to deify political figures after they died?------------------
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ive noticed we have went off the faith arguement because it was a weak one('why then not have faith in fairies' e.t.c) and the evos know it!

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Or because you weren't listening to the responses you got.Here, I'll sum them up for you again.The bible says that you should believe in its creation myth. You do so. The bible also says there are unicorns. But you don't believe in unicorns.Why is one part of the bible to be taken literally and another not? The relative importance of the two don't matter. The bible claims that every word in it is the word of God. Therefore, the word of God says that there are unicorns.Is God lying? Or is God's word unimportant in that section?Or is it more likely that the bible is not a work intended to be taken literally?-----------
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show me where it says in the bible i should have faith in animals and not God?

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Show me on this forum where anyone said you should have faith in animals?We were asking why you took a literal reading of the bible. If you do believe that unicorns and faries exist, (which is different from having faith in them) that's your business. We assumed you didn't. Our mistake.------------------
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Fair enough; I spoke too soon. My apologies. To sum up, you believe in unicorns and fairies, but do not have faith in them.------------------
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