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Mission for Truth Inactive Member |
When people claim they believe the Earth is flat do they mean 'square' or 'circle' flat?
If they think it's square and has corners then wouldn't just looking up at the moon and seeing that it's at least round prove them wrong? Why do people still believe the Earth is flat?? I know a guy who is actually quite smart and he constantly beats me in chess (arghghhhh...) and despite his obvious wit he still thinks the Earth is flat and that we never went to the moon! Am I missing something or is he? That is a rhetorical question by the way, I know I'm right. lol. But still, what the hell?!
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Tony650 Member (Idle past 4033 days) Posts: 450 From: Australia Joined: |
Hey Mission!
I have always assumed that they would think it to be a circle, but then I can't really say I've ever given this specific question a lot of thought so... I must say, I'm surprised to hear about your friend (acquaintance?); I thought the flat-earthers were pretty much extinct. I know the moon-hoax crowd are for real but are you sure this guy is serious about the Earth being flat? Is he a member of the Flat Earth Society? I've been told that the only people in it now are there as a joke. I don't know if this is true, of course, but that's what I've heard. In fact, it was some time back in this thread as I recall. If memory serves, I believe Sylas said that the last confirmed flat-earther was Charles K. Johnson, who was president of the society until his death.
Mission for Truth writes: That is a rhetorical question by the way, I know I'm right. Oh listen to the arrogance! You don't know any such thing you closed minded...Heh, just kidding. Seriously though, are you sure this guy is for real? I'm not saying he isn't, I'm actually asking. I've never come across a flat-earther as far as I know so I wouldn't really know how to tell if they were sincere or not. It seems pretty unbelievable but as I said in the other thread, when it comes to what some people will believe, I stopped saying "never" a long time ago.
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coffee_addict Member (Idle past 477 days) Posts: 3645 From: Indianapolis, IN Joined: |
Desdamona was one of them, even though she tried to deny it after realizing how silly it was to the rest of us.
The Laminator For goodness's sake, please vote Democrat this November!
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Tony650 Member (Idle past 4033 days) Posts: 450 From: Australia Joined: |
Des was a flat-earther? Seriously?
Well, I know she had some...uh...interesting perspectives on things but I must admit I missed that one. Perhaps by that stage I'd simply become numb to her posts and didn't take it in. What did I say about never dismissing anything when it comes to the things that some people will believe? Well, there you go; that's two of them...Anyone else?
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Rand Al'Thor Inactive Member |
Why do people still believe the Earth is flat??
The same reason people still believe that evolution is false. Refusal to acknowledge reality and evidence that doesn't support their views.
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NosyNed Member Posts: 8996 From: Canada Joined: |
I'd bet that most if not all are simply trying to stick out a bit. This is an intellectual tattoo is all (though tattoos are a bit mainstream now I guess). They don't want to be in the mainstream. They want people to argue with them.
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coffee_addict Member (Idle past 477 days) Posts: 3645 From: Indianapolis, IN Joined: |
I agree with Ned. There are only 3 reasons why you should think the Earth is flat:
1) You believe in the bible so much that even the description of the Earth being a "circle" overrides centuries of scientific progress in the matter. 2) You are an idiot. 3) You just want to attract some attention. The Laminator For goodness's sake, please vote Democrat this November!
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Andya Primanda Inactive Member |
Actually I have a net-acquaintance, a physicist, that said the earth IS flat, if we consider not just 3 dimensions but 4 (plus time). Now I don't know if he's committed to flat-earth because of some ideology or he really speaks the truth, but what do you think?
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Tony650 Member (Idle past 4033 days) Posts: 450 From: Australia Joined: |
Lam writes: 1) You believe in the bible so much that even the description of the Earth being a "circle" overrides centuries of scientific progress in the matter. 2) You are an idiot. 3) You just want to attract some attention. Me: I'll lock in option number 2. Host: Is that your final answer?
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Tony650 Member (Idle past 4033 days) Posts: 450 From: Australia Joined: |
Andya Primanda writes: Actually I have a net-acquaintance, a physicist, that said the earth IS flat, if we consider not just 3 dimensions but 4 (plus time). Now I don't know if he's committed to flat-earth because of some ideology or he really speaks the truth, but what do you think? If you take into account more than our four dimensions of spacetime, then yes, the Earth is flat along the axis of the extra dimension (or dimensions). Excluding time for the sake of simplicity, the Earth is three dimensional. As such, it has zero size along the fourth dimensional axis and is therefore flat in that direction. Of course we have no perception of this flatness because we are unable to step out of the 3D confines of our space. The way to understand higher dimensions is to come down a level. Instead of trying to imagine a 3D object's flatness in 4D space, visualize a 2D object's flatness in 3D space. The principle is exactly the same. Two dimensional beings living in a 2D universe would have no perception of 3D space. Their planet would be two dimensional (a circle) but since they could only perceive their own space, they would only see the round part (the edge-on view) of their planet. We however can see that their planet is flat in three dimensions by simply looking down on it from outside of their plane of existence. We can see it from a perspective that they never can. It has length and width but it lacks a third axis; it has zero size along the third perpendicular axis and is therefore flat in that direction even though the beings who live there are unable to comprehend it. So it is with our planet. We are confined to the three spatial dimensions of our universe. Therefore we can only see the round part of our three dimensional planet, which in four dimensions of space, is the edge-on view. However four dimensional beings could see that our planet is flat in 4D space by simply looking "down" on it from outside of its three dimensional confines. They could see it from a perspective that we never can. It has length, width, and height but it lacks a fourth axis; it has zero size along the fourth perpendicular axis and is therefore flat in that direction even though the beings who live here (us ) are unable to comprehend it. Hope this helps.
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coffee_addict Member (Idle past 477 days) Posts: 3645 From: Indianapolis, IN Joined: |
Yes, he is technically correct along that line. However, it depends on what you define "flat" as. The current generally accepted definition is something that only has 2 dimensions or a 3-D model that represents 2-D. For example, a piece of paper is a 3-D object but it figuratively represents a 2 dimensional object.
Your friend physicist was just playing around the definition of "flat". The Laminator For goodness's sake, please vote Democrat this November!
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Mission for Truth Inactive Member |
Yeah! He really is a flat-earther. He's a real person too, lol, not one of the internet. He smokes a lot of weed though so that may contribute to some kind of controversy-paranoia thing he has.
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Mission for Truth Inactive Member |
That's a great explanation, thanks! Although, my friend isn't taking higher dimensions into account. He still thinks we haven't been to space so I have to give my proof with nothing that includes NASA or satillites.
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
He might want to check out the retroreflectors that were left on the moon and are still being used today. IIRC, three US ones as well as some from France and Russia were left and at least one is still in daily use.
See here for some information and here Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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sidelined Member (Idle past 5908 days) Posts: 3435 From: Edmonton Alberta Canada Joined: |
MTW
Does he have explanations for the deaths of astronauts aboared the shuttle and just where they were all the time they were in space?
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