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Zhimbo Member (Idle past 6033 days) Posts: 571 From: New Hampshire, USA Joined: |
quote: I thought you were being snarky, but he really DOES list The Onion as a "source". Wow.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1427 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
theonion.com. Okay, that explains it. Nuff said.
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Zhimbo Member (Idle past 6033 days) Posts: 571 From: New Hampshire, USA Joined: |
Evolution Crusher lists his homepage as http://www.evofraud.com.
Which would suggest he's basically just advertising his little book he wrote. Edited by Zhimbo, : No reason given.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1427 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
I liked this one from the primary source:
Study: 38 Percent Of People Not Actually Entitled To Their Opinionquote: Enjoy. Edited by RAZD, : fix quote compare Fiocruz Genome and fight Muscular Dystrophy with Team EvC! (click) we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmericanOZen[Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share.
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
Now, now, Zhimbo. After choosing a name like Evolution Crusher, I'm sure that EC is right now writing an OP that is going to thoroughly crush the theory of evolution.
By the way, nice to have you back. Actually, if their god makes better pancakes, I'm totally switching sides. -- Charley the Australopithecine
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 756 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
Someone with the handle "evofraud" just registered over at CreationTalk. A cold Dos Equis says it's the same guy....
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subbie Member (Idle past 1276 days) Posts: 3509 Joined: |
Ya know, I thought about trying to stick something funny in there, but there's nothing as funny as some of the stuff that's actually there. You have no idea how frustrating that is to a parodist.
Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3974 Joined: |
Regardless of how little you might think of anti-evolution concepts, let's not turn this topic into some sort of comedy act.
BTW - I think it is possible for a quality publication to include something pulled from The Onion. Let's, however, hope it was intended as some comic relief and not as a real data source. Adminnemooseus New Members should start HERE to get an understanding of what makes great posts. Comments on moderation procedures (or wish to respond to admin messages)? - Go to:
General discussion of moderation procedures Thread Reopen Requests Considerations of topic promotions from the "Proposed New Topics" forum Other useful links:
Forum Guidelines, [thread=-19,-112], [thread=-17,-45], [thread=-19,-337], [thread=-14,-1073] Admin writes:
It really helps moderators figure out if a topic is disintegrating because of general misbehavior versus someone in particular if the originally non-misbehaving members kept it that way. When everyone is prickly and argumentative and off-topic and personal then it's just too difficult to tell. We have neither infinite time to untie the Gordian knot, nor the wisdom of Solomon. There used to be a comedian who presented his ideas for a better world, and one of them was to arm everyone on the highway with little rubber dart guns. Every time you see a driver doing something stupid, you fire a little dart at his car. When a state trooper sees someone driving down the highway with a bunch of darts all over his car he pulls him over for being an idiot. Please make it easy to tell you apart from the idiots. Source
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Zhimbo Member (Idle past 6033 days) Posts: 571 From: New Hampshire, USA Joined: |
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Taz Member (Idle past 3313 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Evolution Crusher writes:
Is there a reason why every nutjob in the world thinks he is the most knowledgable person on Earth and that the rest of us are dumbasses? Are you familiar with the history of evolution after the publication of Origin of The Species? Most people are not. Oh, and you didn't even write the title of Darwin's book correctly. It's The Origin of Species, not Origin of THE Species. Edited by Tazmanian Devil, : No reason given. We are BOG. Resistance is voltage over current. Disclaimer: Occasionally, owing to the deficiency of the English language, I have used he/him/his meaning he or she/him or her/his or her in order to avoid awkwardness of style. He, him, and his are not intended as exclusively masculine pronouns. They may refer to either sex or to both sexes!
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
Are you familiar with Gould's The Mismeasure of Man ? If evolution is racist then why is a paleontologist and a noted populariser of evolution writing a book against racism and the "science" that supported it ?
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anglagard Member (Idle past 858 days) Posts: 2339 From: Socorro, New Mexico USA Joined: |
Evolution Crusher writes: Are you familiar with the history of evolution after the publication of Origin of The Species? Most people are not. Evolution, and any given history it may have from our perspective, both preceded and anteceded the publication of The Origin of Species. What is your meaning? Edited by anglagard, : question
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 306 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Regardless of how little you might think of anti-evolution concepts, let's not turn this topic into some sort of comedy act. I think it's a little late for that.
quote: This is FSTDT material.
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Percy Member Posts: 22480 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
This thread illustrates the challenge before evolutionists in a nutshell. The problem isn't that there are books out there like Why Evolution is a Fraud, but that a creationist who reads such books thinks they contains good arguments and are in some way scientific.
From Henry Morris's The Genesis Flood way back in the 1950's to Duane Gish's The Fossils Say No! in the 1970's to Dembski's The Design Inference of the 1990's, the creationist genre is rich and free-flowing and almost completely absent any legitimate science, let alone logic or rationality or sometimes even any connection to reality whatsoever. What's dismaying is that what creationists find convincing isn't the evidence or logic or accuracy, all of which are mostly absent in these works, but simply the flow of argument, and we know this because when we engage creationists in discussion it is most often the case that they have no scientific knowledge upon which to base their opinions. If a creationist reads that the argument about monkeys and typewriters is evidence against evolution, they'll buy it. Someone at this level of understanding is at least a few months of intensive study away from understanding our rebuttals. Since they're not going to actually engage in a period of intensive study, the ignorance about matters scientific will extend for years, likely their entire lives. I'm fond of saying that explaining science to creationists can be like teaching calculus to your cat - it just isn't possible. I just heard Phil Plait, he of Bad Astronomer fame, say that one thing that keeps him going is when he receives email from someone who's read his writings, be it books, articles or website, and says that he was persuaded by this argument or that argument. But one of the worst things he can hear is when someone says something like, "I've switched to believing you now," in other words, someone who changed sides without understanding. We feel this way because our true goal isn't conversion but communicating knowledge. Once there's knowledge and understanding, the conversion will happen in its own way and in its own time, if it ever does happen. This is far different from evangelical religion, where they only desire a willingness to mouth the words, "I accept Jesus Christ as my personal Lord and Savior." How many times have we heard people say that they had trouble believing this sort of thing while never giving any external indications of their doubts? But science is not in any way like this. We never have any doubt about the process of science, because we know that, as demonstrated over the past several hundred years, scientific progress is inevitable because it allows our understanding of the universe to gradually align more and more with actual reality. In the long run it doesn't matter how well our theories accord with reality today, because we know that what's truly important is that they accord better than yesterday and not as well as tomorrow. By this time Evolution Crusher realizes that the monkeys/typewriters example is not the strong point he thought it was, but he very likely has no idea why. He might not even believe what we're telling him about it, that it doesn't even have any relevance to evolution. If he only comes away thinking, "They ridiculed the monkeys/typewriters arguments, the miscreants, what's the point in even talking to these guys," we should understand that this is not a good thing. The challenge before us is how to help Evolution Crusher understand why this is such a bad argument. Lawrence Krauss (well known professor of astronomy and author of The Physics of Star Trek) believes that the problem with religion is one of education. Sam Harris (The End of Faith) counters that it is clearly not an issue of education when we have engineers and architects flying planes into buildings in the name of religion. I tend to side with Krauss. For those who are just normal religionists, I think a little education can go a long way. The terrorists in the over-used 911 example of Sam Harris are not normal religionists, but are more cultists, and we now know that cults are a rather complex psychological issue. So I do think that education is the way to go, and now it's only a matter of figuring out how. --Percy
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
I think that the first challenge is to work out whether "Evolution Crusher" and the book are actually serious or parodies.
The "monkey and typewriter" argument seems to me to cross the line - I find it hard to beleive that even a creationist could be so unthinking or deluded to think that it is actually a good argument.
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