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Evolution Crusher Inactive Member |
Do you approach everything with such prejudices?
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subbie Member (Idle past 1255 days) Posts: 3509 Joined: |
Can't cut and paste all of the "sources," but it's many of the usual suspects. Ken Ham, Phillip Johnson, Michael Behe, Henry Morris, Adolph Hitler, biblebelivers.net, theonion.com.
A veritable Who's Who of the 21st century's greatest scientific minds. http://www.evofraud.com/evofraud_sources.html Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
I saw that, too, subbie. Check out the sources for reviews, too. Mostly rabid anti-leftists, heh.
Actually, if their god makes better pancakes, I'm totally switching sides. -- Charley the Australopithecine
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iceage  Suspended Member (Idle past 5915 days) Posts: 1024 From: Pacific Northwest Joined: |
EvoCrusher - Package the what you feel is the best argument in the book and present it - I would be very interested is this and would like to see the substance of the arguments.
Based on the minimal reviews and comments I can find such as "A must read for all home-schoolers" I will not be soon parting with my money to buy a nonsense propaganda book. However I looked around and found a few quotes....
TSutcliff writes:
“Every time I’d hear a discussion about evolution, it quickly broke down into this ”science-versus-religion’ stalemate and that was the end of it,” ... “Discussions about chemistry and physics don’t fall into the same trap, so why should evolution?” Let me venture a guess.... maybe because the Fundamentalist view Evolution and a huge threat to their bronze age beliefs? From an editorial review....
Editoral Review writes: Heavily researched ... the eight-chapter book ... which reveals how genetics disproves evolution and how evolution is mathematically impossible. From this, I have one question, does he rehash the 747 from a junkyard argument? Some other quotes:
TSutcliff writes: “In Europe, the idea that some humans were closer to ape-like hominids was accepted and normalized over several decades,” So. Some Christian denominations believed as a result of Cain's rebellion, he was was cursed with a dark skin and became the father of the Negroes. Jefferson Davis argued that "slavery was established by decree of Almighty God. It is sanctioned in the Bible, in both Testaments, from Genesis to Revelation". In reality evolution delivers undeniable proof that all human races are members of the same species.
TSutcliff writes: “While evolution did not commit the evil acts at the Nazi concentration camps, the normalization of evolution over generations made it easier for the executioners to do it.” So if we are to dismiss Evolution because of his alleged and specious enabling factor of the Holocaust, does this mean we can also reject Christianity based on the Crusades and Inqusition? Of which Christianity played a very overt role and not an indirect one.
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Evolution Crusher Inactive Member |
Are you familiar with the history of evolution after the publication of Origin of The Species? Most people are not.
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subbie Member (Idle past 1255 days) Posts: 3509 Joined: |
A quick perusal of the Chapter Summaries tells us everything we need to know about the contents of this fish wrap.
Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
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subbie Member (Idle past 1255 days) Posts: 3509 Joined: |
EC, I can assure you that everyone who has responded in this thread knows considerably more about the history of evolution than this Sutcliff fellow is ever likely to know.
Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
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iceage  Suspended Member (Idle past 5915 days) Posts: 1024 From: Pacific Northwest Joined: |
EvoCrusher writes: The best point is the whole focus of the book; the author makes the unique point of breaking the tired old 'science versus religion' stalemate by forcing evolution to stand (or fall) on its own. It is disappointing that you feel science and religion are really in some sort of stalemate. Evolution being science, will always stand or fall in concordance to the data and its explanatory and predictive power; not because if provides a more satisfying explanation than the Genesis Creation myth.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 285 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
There are a lot of strong points, so it is hard to narrow it down to just one. Sutcliff cites a recent BBC article where students at a UK university tried to put the famous typing monkey theory into practice. Needless to say, the monkeys did not type anything that even remotely resembled Shakespear as Hardison predicted. They did not even type a legible word in English. However, the monkeys did succeed in using the computers as toilets. The one particular point you wish to bring against evolution is that monkeys use typewiters as toilets? You have no idea what the theory of evolution is, have you?
The chapter titled Agendascience really nails the 'why' behind why so many folks buy evolution, even though evolution is scientifically deficient and based more on philosophy than science. In the same way, people who think that the world is being controlled by aliens feel obliged to explain complicated elaborate psychological nonsense about why I don't agree with them. So do the 9/11 Conspiracy Theorists. Every nutjob whacko has an explanation for why I only disagree with him 'cos I'm "frightened" or "in denial" or blah-de-blah. This is the mark of a failure with no actual evidence on his side.
The best point is the whole focus of the book; the author makes the unique point of breaking the tired old 'science versus religion' stalemate by forcing evolution to stand (or fall) on its own. Aside from a belief in God, Sutcliff does not mention religion at all. His arguments are soundly based on the weight of the evidence, not the consensus of the masses. I thought this was a refreshing approach. To summarise --- the author doesn't put forward one single point in favor of creationism: the whole book is devoted to whining about aspects of evolution which he doesn't understand. I don't see why you find this a "refreshing approach", this is what all creationists do. Obviously they can't present evidence for the story about the talking snake and the magic tree, 'cos it's rubbish, so they whine about science instead. Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given. Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given. Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given. Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
Are you familiar with the history of evolution after the publication of Origin of The Species? Most people are not. What a coincidence. I've just finished reading a very good book that devoted a lot of space to the history of evolutionary thought. S.J. Gould's essays are another good source for the history of evolutionary science. What would you like to know? Actually, if their god makes better pancakes, I'm totally switching sides. -- Charley the Australopithecine
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1405 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
A closed mind gathers no knowledge. Then open yours. Math cannot prove or disprove a single thing in reality. At best all it can do is model reality. At worst it models fantasy with no relation to reality. Evolution is an observed fact, thus any mathematical "proof" that it can't happen is de facto a fraud: You've been conned.
Message 6 There are a lot of strong points, so it is hard to narrow it down to just one. Sutcliff cites a recent BBC article where students at a UK university tried to put the famous typing monkey theory into practice. Needless to say, the monkeys did not type anything that even remotely resembled Shakespear as Hardison predicted. They did not even type a legible word in English. However, the monkeys did succeed in using the computers as toilets. This refutes evolution how? This is the strongest point you can mention and it is a vacuous statement based on something totally unrelated to science to say nothing of evolution?
(ibid) The chapter titled Agendascience really nails the 'why' behind why so many folks buy evolution, even though evolution is scientifically deficient and based more on philosophy than science. Perhaps you can glean something from this chapter that is less nonsense than your monkey example and post it for our enjoyment.
(ibid) The best point is the whole focus of the book; the author makes the unique point of breaking the tired old 'science versus religion' stalemate by forcing evolution to stand (or fall) on its own. A point that you assert and yet there has been not one iota of evidence that there is any validity to such a claim. Assertion alone is insufficient evidence. What I see is someone cashing in on the gullibility of ignorant people that will be foolish enough to pay money to be told what they want to hear rather than what is true: so far the evidence is that you've been conned. But really you should start another thread on what the book says or ask that this be moved out of "book nook" to another forum ("is it science" would be appropriate for discussing the contents of the book eh?). Admin could copy this there and close this thread (thus leaving the book nook entry while allowing continued discussion of the merits of the book, and the link would allow the curious to follow).
Message 8 The best point is the whole focus of the book; the author makes the unique point of breaking the tired old 'science versus religion' stalemate by forcing evolution to stand (or fall) on its own. It doesn't have to be to be full of the same PRATTS that creationists use: they pretend they have a scientific basis as well. Enjoy. Edited by RAZD, : msg quote ref compare Fiocruz Genome and fight Muscular Dystrophy with Team EvC! (click) we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmericanOZen[Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share.
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Zhimbo Member (Idle past 6012 days) Posts: 571 From: New Hampshire, USA Joined: |
quote: That's a unique point? That's the point of this website and of talkorigins.org, and well...of biology. That isn't a unique point. It's called "science".
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Zhimbo Member (Idle past 6012 days) Posts: 571 From: New Hampshire, USA Joined: |
quote: Yeah, I loved that, too. I've written papers of lower my expectations.
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nator Member (Idle past 2170 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
So, what you are suggesting is that scientists are conspiring to maintain an elaborate fraud upon the rest of the world, is that correct?
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2284 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 6.8 |
Heavily researched, with all 44 sources listed on the book’s Web site at http://www.evofraud.com, Sutcliff spent five years researching and writing the eight-chapter book
I have to echo's Subbie's *chortling* at this claim. I'd expect a "heavily researched" book debunking evolution to have more than 44 sources, the last text on human evolution that I read had over 2500. Just a monkey in a long line of kings. If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! *not an actual doctor
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