Sex paradox

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Originally posted by Punisher:
It's a common misconception to think that opposition to the perversion of a thing is the same thing as opposition to the thing itself. Of course that idea is absurb. Sex within the confines of marriage is a beautiful relationship.

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YOu';ve gotit wrong their Punisher.
Sex can be a beautiful relationship within or without marriage. Far too many marriages are loveless and far too many abuse the concept of marriage to bully, betray, misuse and maltreat their wives sexually. And the sad part is that many women put up with it precisely because they hold the marriage bond to have a significance beyond their own mere comfort, safety or succour. The glorifying of marriage as a sacrament has far too often led to enormous misery and churches have been despicably slow to recognize.
For my part, marriage is wonderful and enriching and I'm ever grateful to be entangled with a dear woman in as many ways as the mind can devise. But it is love that the makes the marriage work, not the other way round.

Good point Mr. P; the particular sentence you were referring to was a bit of a generalization. I should have said "sex within the confines of a healthy marriage..."

But you'd still be asserting that sex can ONLY be beautiful within marriage, which is illogical.
Obviously two people can love each other the same without marriage as they can with marriage. There's nothing about marriage that magically makes two people love each other more. It's like shackling two people who never leave each other's side, and saying that they're now "more together".
You'd be much better off saying "healthy relationship".

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Originally posted by Xombie:
But you'd still be asserting that sex can ONLY be beautiful within marriage, which is illogical.
Obviously two people can love each other the same without marriage as they can with marriage. There's nothing about marriage that magically makes two people love each other more. It's like shackling two people who never leave each other's side, and saying that they're now "more together".
You'd be much better off saying "healthy relationship".

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Maybe Xombie would be much better off saying 'healthy relationship'. My view is that sex is so powerful in creating intimacy that only within the confines of marriage (life commitment before God) can a healthy sex life exist. Your analogy of shackels says much about your view of marriage.------------------
Do not suppose that abuses are eliminated by destroying the object which is abused. Men can go wrong with wine and women. Shall we then prohibit and abolish women? Martin Luther

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Originally posted by Punisher:
My view is that sex is so powerful in creating intimacy that only within the confines of marriage (life commitment before God) can a healthy sex life exist.

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... BECAUSE?
You keep saying that over and over, but you give NO rationalization to it. There is nothing special about marriage except a piece of paper. Two people who get married would obviously (in most cases) already love each other. Why the hell would a few "vows" be needed if they've already given their hearts to one another? [b] [QUOTE]our analogy of shackels says much about your view of marriage.[/b][/QUOTE]1.) No, not really. It's an analogy of commitment and permanence. Don't ASSUME what MY position is on anything.
2.) My personal opinion is irrelevant to the topic. This is a debate.
3.) Please DEBATE the TOPIC like a mature person, and refrain from making personal comments about me. If you want to do such things, you can send me a message. Such things are not welcome, needed, or appropriate on the board.

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Originally posted by Xombie:
... BECAUSE?
There is nothing special about marriage except a piece of paper.

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This is why our opinion differs. It's not the piece of paper/acknowledgement from the state that makes a difference. I have the attitude I do because I realize that my well-being depends on God and not fully on my spouse. A marriage is a commitment before God; not a piece of paper.God ordained marriage to be an earthly picture of the relationship between Christ and the Church. Jesus Christ's love for the Church, according to Ephesians 5, is sacrificial and unconditional.

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1.) No, not really. It's an analogy of commitment and permanence. Don't ASSUME what MY position is on anything.
2.) My personal opinion is irrelevant to the topic. This is a debate.

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lol! How exactly, is your personal opinion not relevant? Are you debating from a neutral position? I think not. The entire thread is comprised of personal opinion.
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Please DEBATE the TOPIC like a mature person, and refrain from making personal comments about me. If you want to do such things, you can send me a message. Such things are not welcome, needed, or appropriate on the board.

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I suppose I read too much into your 'shackels' analogy; I still find it an interesting word choice in the context of marriage.

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Originally posted by Punisher:
My view is that sex is so powerful in creating intimacy that only within the confines of marriage (life commitment before God) can a healthy sex life exist.

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I don't know how you can believe this. I have been with my wife (sexually) for 3 years, we have only been married for a year and a half. I can tell you from personal experiance that the sex didn't suddently become better on our wedding night. Nothing in our relationship has changed in anyway since the wedding. If it wasn't for having to sleep in seperate rooms in her parents house I don't think we would have bothered to get married.------------------
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