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Phat
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Message 16 of 47 (408371)
07-02-2007 4:34 AM
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07-02-2007 4:30 AM


Can you spell S-O-B-R-I-E-T-Y?
Would you say that alcohol is a bane to spelling?

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Message 17 of 47 (408376)
07-02-2007 5:16 AM
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07-02-2007 4:34 AM


Re: Can you spell S-O-B-R-I-E-T-Y?
I can spell it, can you?
Alcohol affects us in many ways, and it can be a drain on all of our processes. I think that the last hour and a half of me pretending to be drunk to you has probably shown you, however, that it is difficult to tell the difference between someone really drunk and someone really stupid.
Which brings me to my final point, if you can fire someone for coming into work drunk, why can't you fire the other 90% of the crew for ALWAYS coming in stupid?
Jon

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Phat
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Message 18 of 47 (408378)
07-02-2007 5:30 AM
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07-02-2007 5:16 AM


Re: Can you spell S-O-B-R-I-E-T-Y?
Its one thing to get drunk occasionally as a teenager...as long as you are not driving.
Its quite another to get drunk every other day or so when you are forty and have a family and/or responsibilities.
Enjoy it while you can, and use the brain God gave you.

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Message 19 of 47 (408389)
07-02-2007 7:08 AM
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07-01-2007 9:06 AM


Booze for't Baby
I drink a fair bit - probably three or four pints two or three times a week. That's between 12 and 24 units - which is probably not terribly good for me. I enjoy it though, and it doesn't affect me to the degree that anyone comments about it, or that I feel ill. Everybody else I'm around tends to be drinking similarly, so its hard to tell if I'm slipping into a pit of vice in absolute terms or not.
Pubs tend to be a place to meet friends and talk, and beers tend to get drunk. I don't like being drunk very much, but I do like the cool, refreshing taste of beer after a hard day in the office. I refuse to drink by myself though - not because I think people who drink by themselves are bad, but just because I think that might be a slipperly slope for me personally. If I limit myself to social occasions and only binge once in a blew mune, then I think I can't go THAT wrong. I hope.

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Wounded King
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Message 20 of 47 (408393)
07-02-2007 8:20 AM
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07-01-2007 9:06 AM


You can't give a baby booze!
1) No, in fact I rarely drink as much as once a month anymore.
2) Not really. At university and high school there were a few occasions where I drank excessively to the point where I passed out or couldn't remember what I had done, but probably not more than I could count on one hand.
3) I really don't know about this. I'm not aware of anyone I know having a drinking problem so I don't really know anything directly about the impact it has.
TTFN,
WK

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nator
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Message 21 of 47 (408394)
07-02-2007 8:31 AM
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07-01-2007 9:06 AM


quote:
1) Do you drink alcohol more than once a week?
Sometimes, but not usually.
For me, "alcohol" usually means "wine with dinner, as an important flavor element of the meal."
On the other hand, I have been known, when at a party or away on a trip, to have a cocktail or two if invited to a swank bar. I have also been on a week-long food tour in Portugal where I didn't have to drive and drank more wine in a week than I had in the previous several years.
I also really enjoy hard ciders and some beers and will have one or two when out with friends and occasionally have picked up a case or a six pack to have at home. I have a whole shelf full of liquers, brandy, rum, vodka and other spirits that I use in baking and cooking, but I never drink them in shots or anything like that.
But the "drunk" part of alcohol isn't anywhere near as important to me as the taste of the drinks. In fact, if Star Trek's "synthehol" was invented, that would be cool with me.
I have only drunk alcohol to "get drunk" a couple times in my life, when I was young. I have never had a hangover, never been so drunk that I lost memory or got sick.
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2) Have you ever had a problem with alcohol consumption? (As told to you by others, if not admitted by yourself)
No.
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3) When Is Alcohol a problem? What lines have to be crossed before a drinking habit affects an individuals or a families lives?
If one drives when intoxicated, it is a problem.
If alcohol is being frequently used as a drug to avoid dealing with problems or pain.
If alcohol affects the user in a negative way, as in, "She's a really mean drunk."
Basically, if someone is under the influence of any drug all the time, other people aren't really interacting with the real person.
Edited by nator, : No reason given.

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Dr Jack
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Message 22 of 47 (408429)
07-02-2007 3:27 PM
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07-01-2007 9:06 AM


1. Yes, I usually drink 3 or 4 times a week.
2. A problem with alcohol consumption? Hmm... that's a difficult question, I've certainly drunk FAR more than was good for me in the past. However, it was more a symptom of other problems than a cause of problems itself - an effect not a cause.
3. When is an alcohol a problem? I don't see there's any clear way to define that.

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riVeRraT
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Message 23 of 47 (408741)
07-04-2007 12:53 PM
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07-01-2007 9:06 AM


When is alcohol a problem?
When you run out of it.
Seriously, it's always a problem. I really realized this when I stopped drinking (never drank that much, just casual) for a long time, then decided to have a few drinks. The next morning I could feel the strain on my body, and I felt "dirty" for having it.
Our bodies are much cleaner, and in tune, when we don't drink. Even our thoughts, are much clearer, and more rationalized. We are more patient when we don't drink (or smoke for that reason).
This, however, still does not stop me from having a few, every now and then.
ABE:
I've even noticed after fasting, that just about all things that could be considered bad for you, affect how you behave. I was at my best when I fasted, after the second day, and got rid of all the "chemicals" in my body.
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Message 24 of 47 (408743)
07-04-2007 1:01 PM
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07-02-2007 5:30 AM


Re: Can you spell S-O-B-R-I-E-T-Y?
being drunk doesn't preclude you from being responsible. i mean, sure you can't drive or operate heavy machinery, but it certainly doesn't make you inherently irresponsible. many irresponsible people have blamed it on their lapses in effort, and sure a few get so drunk that they really are no longer in control of their faculties, but that's a select few.

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nator
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Message 25 of 47 (408748)
07-04-2007 2:01 PM
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07-04-2007 1:01 PM


Re: Can you spell S-O-B-R-I-E-T-Y?
Just a couple of servings of alcohol renders a person (especially females) not in complete control of their faculties.
Judgement is impaired, motor coordination is negatively affected, and inhibitions are lowered.
It takes an hour for a person to metabolize a single serving of alcohol, so if you drink at a rate faster than one drink an hour, you are going to be impaired.

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Message 26 of 47 (408755)
07-04-2007 3:17 PM
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07-04-2007 2:01 PM


Re: Can you spell S-O-B-R-I-E-T-Y?
impaired, fine. but not completely irrepsonsible. motor skills and inhibitions do not change your personality and part of being a responsible person is understanding how your judgement is affected so that one is still capable of being a reasonable person despite intoxication.
usually, the only part of my judgement that is affected is whether i should have another drink or not.
It takes an hour for a person to metabolize a single serving of alcohol, so if you drink at a rate faster than one drink an hour, you are going to be impaired.
this is an average. my ability to focus my eyes properly goes with the first sip. i generally don't lose much more than that. but then i have poor motor skills as is. and the whole idea that women hold less is due to the average body weight being lower and nothing more. but then my tolerance is higher than boys twice my weight.
i've never once done anything i wouldn't have done sober. i make my mistakes when i'm "in control of my faculties."
also, notice the difference between my statements and yours. you're discussing how little it may take to be affected. i'm discussing how much it would take to have an excuse for being a dumb cunt.
Edited by brennakimi, : No reason given.

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Omnivorous
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Message 27 of 47 (408758)
07-04-2007 5:11 PM
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Re: Can you spell S-O-B-R-I-E-T-Y?
brennakimi writes:
usually, the only part of my judgement that is affected is whether i should have another drink or not.
quote:
Dorothy Parker's Ode to the Martini:
I love a martini -- but two at the most.
Three, I'm under the table; four, I'm under the host.
I agree with Nator that folks who want to maintain their illusion of complete control should not drink.

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anastasia
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Message 28 of 47 (408777)
07-04-2007 8:59 PM
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07-01-2007 9:06 AM


Phat writes:
1) Do you drink alcohol more than once a week?
Usually, yes, but most of the time it takes me two hours to finish one beer in between chores. Maybe once a week I drink more than a beer or two.
2) Have you ever had a problem with alcohol consumption? (As told to you by others, if not admitted by yourself)
No.
3) When Is Alcohol a problem? What lines have to be crossed before a drinking habit affects an individuals or a families lives?
Alcohol can be a problem anytime, that part is relative. For me, it was a problem while I was pregnant, when I get too groggy to care for my kids during the night, when it causes fights, when it wastes money I don't have. BUT, I stopped drinking while pregnant, I don't drink liquor now that I have kids, I am cheap except on occasion, and I never drink to get drunk. Alcohol becomes a problem when you DON"T stop once you notice something bad happening, or potentially happening. It's a problem when you blame anything else BUT the alcohol.

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macaroniandcheese 
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Message 29 of 47 (408778)
07-04-2007 9:09 PM
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Re: Can you spell S-O-B-R-I-E-T-Y?
folks who want to maintain their illusion of complete control should not drink.
folks who want to maintain their illusion of complete control should not drink.
see. you also missed the point of my post. i wasn't talking about complete control. i was talking about how much alcohol it takes to have an excuse for being completely irresponsible. responsibility doesn't require control.
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nator
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Message 30 of 47 (408779)
07-04-2007 9:29 PM
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07-04-2007 3:17 PM


Re: Can you spell S-O-B-R-I-E-T-Y?
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impaired, fine. but not completely irrepsonsible.
I never said "completely" irresponsible.
quote:
motor skills and inhibitions do not change your personality
but alcohol does change one's personality. Some people more than others, true, but that's kind of what having lower inhibitions and impaired judgement is, isn't it? A change in one's personality?
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and part of being a responsible person is understanding how your judgement is affected so that one is still capable of being a reasonable person despite intoxication.
LOL!
Look, anybody who thinks that they can decide, when sober, to maintain their good judgement and normal restraint after they have been drinking is just fooling themselves.
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usually, the only part of my judgement that is affected is whether i should have another drink or not.
That's what they all say.
It takes an hour for a person to metabolize a single serving of alcohol, so if you drink at a rate faster than one drink an hour, you are going to be impaired.
quote:
this is an average. my ability to focus my eyes properly goes with the first sip.
That's not possible, since it takes a little while for the alcohol to build up in your system.
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i generally don't lose much more than that.
Again, you don't really know that since you are self-evaluationg.
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but then i have poor motor skills as is. and the whole idea that women hold less is due to the average body weight being lower and nothing more.
That's not true either.
Women on average have more fat and less water in their bodies than men, and since ethanol is water-soluable, women tend to reach a higher blood alcohol level than men if they drink the same amount.
quote:
but then my tolerance is higher than boys twice my weight.
That can happen becasue of the fat to water ratio thing, and also, if you drink a lot, you have geared up your liver to metabolize alcohol faster. Of course, people who drink a lot for years also tend to wear out their livers...
quote:
i've never once done anything i wouldn't have done sober. i make my mistakes when i'm "in control of my faculties."
If true, lucky you.
That would make you somewhat of a medical marvel, actually.
quote:
also, notice the difference between my statements and yours. you're discussing how little it may take to be affected. i'm discussing how much it would take to have an excuse for being a dumb cunt.
Another difference I'm noticing in our statements is your reliance on self-reporting, when you were drunk, no less.

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