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Topic: The Church and Homosexual Marriage
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berberry
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Re: Democracy Rules?
Vercingetorix writes:
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i hear people talk about the bill of rights...
I see that Dan has already responded to your post but I'm curious: what do you think the 14th amendment means? In particular, I'd like to hear your comments about this part:
No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
Keep America Safe AND Free!
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Dan Carroll
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Message 47 of 63 (189676)
03-02-2005 3:38 PM
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Reply to: Message 46 by berberry
03-02-2005 3:23 PM
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That's gotta be a record...
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Angeldust
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Re: That's gotta be a record...
And the peasants rejoice. yeah. Added by edit - I think that's the meanest thing I've ever posted here. I'm sure it's going to come back to haunt me. This message has been edited by Angeldust, 03-02-2005 15:53 AM
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Loudmouth
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Re: Democracy Rules?
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if the majority of a states citizen's are against it and the federal government enforces it any way because. then that is tyrrany and its time for action.
So you would agree that the US Supreme Court should not have stepped in to break up segregation laws in the South?
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coffee_addict
Member (Idle past 122 days) Posts: 3645 From: Indianapolis, IN Joined: 03-29-2004
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Re: WTF?
Ver writes: so basically im a nigger, and everyone is a nigger of some sort, i mean we all evolved from niggers in africa, right?
Forgive me if I have been mistaken, but I thought you were a creo. If this is the case, shouldn't it have been "god breathed life into a nigger..."?
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Dan Carroll
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Message 51 of 63 (189756)
03-03-2005 9:45 AM
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Reply to: Message 48 by Angeldust
03-02-2005 3:51 PM
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Re: That's gotta be a record...
I think that's the meanest thing I've ever posted here. Damn, you have a way lower threshhold for meanness than I do.
"Creationists make it sound as though a theory is something you dreamt up after being drunk all night." -Isaac Asimov
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Angeldust
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Message 52 of 63 (192165)
03-17-2005 5:22 PM
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Bump
I was hoping to attract someone on the other side of the debate instead of just finding people who agreed with me.
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Phat
Member Posts: 18649 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 4.3
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Message 53 of 63 (192306)
03-18-2005 10:31 AM
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Reply to: Message 52 by Angeldust
03-17-2005 5:22 PM
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Re: Bump
And what was your position again?
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Angeldust
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Message 54 of 63 (192314)
03-18-2005 11:28 AM
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Reply to: Message 53 by Phat
03-18-2005 10:31 AM
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Re: Bump
In short, it seems unscriptural to me to attempt to force Christian morality (in this case prohibitions against homosexuality) on a secular public. The scriptural morality statements are for the believing community and therefore it is wrong for the church to take political stands on issues that are only moral. Human rights issues would fall under a different category. Or refer to post 1 Here.
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Phat
Member Posts: 18649 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 4.3
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Message 55 of 63 (192319)
03-18-2005 12:00 PM
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Reply to: Message 54 by Angeldust
03-18-2005 11:28 AM
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Re: Bump
I will agree that the church should stay out of politic, but they do have a responsibility to let their voice and their view be known. They just need a better P.R. department! Then again, if they persecuted Christ, they will persecute the voice of the church. Christians are never believed because they never live the life.
Sider writes: Graham Cyster, a Christian whom I know from South Africa, recently told me a painful story about a personal experience two decades ago when he was struggling against apartheid as a young South African evangelical. One night, he was smuggled into an underground Communist cell of young people fighting apartheid. "Tell us about the gospel of Jesus Christ," they asked, half hoping for an alternative to the violent communist strategy they were embracing. Graham gave a clear, powerful presentation of the gospel, showing how personal faith in Christ wonderfully transforms persons and creates one new body of believers where there is neither Jew nor Greek, male nor female, rich nor poor, black nor white. The youth were fascinated. One seventeen-year-old exclaimed, "That is wonderful! Show me where I can see that happening." Graham's face fell as he sadly responded that he could not think of anywhere South African Christians were truly living out the message of the gospel. "Then the whole thing is a piece of sh," the youth angrily retorted. Within a month he left the country to join the armed struggle against apartheidand eventually giving his life for his beliefs.
Just a small example of how public professions need to be backed by genuine behavior.
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joz
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Re: Democracy Rules?
No, non-citizens are not protected by the fourteenth amendment. Non-citizens are also not married by the United States Government. So what's your point? Oh yes they bloody well are.... The whole basis for my legal residence in this country AS A NON CITIZEN is my marriage by a justice of the peace to a US citizen right here in the US.... So hah Mr smarty pants...
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Angeldust
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Message 57 of 63 (192561)
03-19-2005 4:14 PM
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Reply to: Message 55 by Phat
03-18-2005 12:00 PM
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They just need a better P.R. department!
I agree, but what should the P.R. department say on this topic? I also agree with lives and speech needed to match, words are cheap. Actions and character mean something.
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Phat
Member Posts: 18649 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 4.3
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Message 58 of 63 (193607)
03-23-2005 4:08 AM
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Reply to: Message 57 by Angeldust
03-19-2005 4:14 PM
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Angeldust writes: I agree, but what should the P.R. department say on this topic? Good question. Who is our target audience? What do we want them to know?
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Angeldust
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Message 59 of 63 (193647)
03-23-2005 8:28 AM
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Reply to: Message 58 by Phat
03-23-2005 4:08 AM
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well, that's kind of what I was asking you. I'm not sure that the church should make any kind of statement on homosexual marriage because than it appears that we are promoting hate on a large scale which I think goes against the Spirit of the gospel and just makes the individual Christians work much more difficult than it already is. So should we say anything? And what?
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Dan Carroll
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Message 60 of 63 (193655)
03-23-2005 9:26 AM
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Reply to: Message 56 by joz
03-18-2005 3:09 PM
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Re: Democracy Rules?
The whole basis for my legal residence in this country AS A NON CITIZEN is my marriage by a justice of the peace to a US citizen right here in the US.... Yeah, thanks for the heads up. That explains why my Dad became a citizen when he married my Mom. I thought it would be obvious that I was talking about two non-citizens. My bad.
So hah Mr smarty pants... My pants never had any of yer fancy book-learnin'. They were educated on the streets.
"You can't expect him to be answering your prayers when he's not real, can you? That's like writing to the characters of a soap opera and expecting a reply, Mr. Silly Sausage!" -Jane Christie
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