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Yaro
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Message 31 of 55 (125184)
07-16-2004 10:55 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by Nasa
07-16-2004 10:51 PM


Re: You missed me
explain what?
I'm waiting from a reply from you.
In these forums there is a general reply button and a specific reply button. When you want to reply to a person you click the little red reply button under their post.
That being said, is there something you in particular you want me to respond to?
And I would appreciate it if you addressed my points.
Thank you.

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Message 32 of 55 (125185)
07-16-2004 10:55 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by AdminNosy
07-16-2004 10:45 PM


Re: a suggestion Yaro
I said, it was just some interesting quotes I wanted to share.

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Message 33 of 55 (125188)
07-16-2004 11:10 PM
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07-16-2004 9:58 PM


Got ya.....Decay always follows a system if absent in -input of productive energy. Hence Rusting rotting.
And yes we are decaying in our mothers womb, genetic information is being lost generation after generation. The genetic load is a great argument against the believed long term (1,000,000 years or so)existence of ManKIND.
We see all around us the opposite to evolution occurring. DECAY, for the reason of sin entering in to the physical existence. Everything is dying, the universe, or planet, the sun, every thing is heading toward disorder......Ourselves included, quite true, look around...
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Message 34 of 55 (125189)
07-16-2004 11:11 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by Yaro
07-16-2004 9:58 PM


Got ya.....Decay always follows a system if absent in -input of productive energy. Hence Rusting rotting.
And yes we are decaying in our mothers womb, genetic information is being lost generation after generation. The genetic load is a great argument against the believed long term (1,000,000 years or so)existence of ManKIND.
We see all around us the opposite to evolution occurring. DECAY, for the reason of sin entering in to the physical existence. Everything is dying, the universe, or planet, the sun, every thing is heading toward disorder......Ourselves included, quite true, look around...

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Message 35 of 55 (125190)
07-16-2004 11:12 PM


Sorry ...posted twice...opps

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Message 36 of 55 (125191)
07-16-2004 11:16 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by Yaro
07-16-2004 10:55 PM


Re: You missed me
I wanted to understand what you were getting at by your LIE in the womb..theory. Thats all.

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AdminNosy
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Message 37 of 55 (125192)
07-16-2004 11:18 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by Nasa
07-16-2004 10:55 PM


Interesting quotes
Yes, we've seen lots of quote mining too. When you want to discuss them you can take each one (or two maybe) and explain what they mean and why you think it is important in a thread of it's own.
I doubt very much that you have ever seen any of the context that they are lifted from.

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Nasa
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Message 38 of 55 (125194)
07-16-2004 11:24 PM
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07-16-2004 11:18 PM


Re: Interesting quotes
Nice......

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Nasa
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Message 39 of 55 (125196)
07-16-2004 11:27 PM


Ok Nosy, I'll take just one, bringing it into its context, and we can chat upon it, see if it makes the theory of EVILution look strange....................100100010100101001
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Yaro
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Message 40 of 55 (125197)
07-16-2004 11:31 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by Nasa
07-16-2004 11:10 PM


Got ya.....Decay always follows a system if absent in -input of productive energy. Hence Rusting rotting.
ummm.... things rotting feeds the bacteria, bugs, worms, those feed birds, which also eat seeds, poop them, spread plants, which feed cows, which feed us.
Whats your point? It's a cycle not a rush to a dead end. I don't think you have the fist clue what you are talking about.
I think you have a very vague Idea concerning entropy, so vague infact that you are missenterpretting it entirely. One of its requirements for one thing, is a closed system.
And yes we are decaying in our mothers womb, genetic information is being lost generation after generation. The genetic load is a great argument against the believed long term (1,000,000 years or so)existence of ManKIND.
Genetic load? huh?
Genetic info isn't being lost, what are you talking about? Genes change, some come some go, they aren't getting 'lost'.
Do you even know how DNA and genetics work?
We see all around us the opposite to evolution occurring. DECAY, for the reason of sin entering in to the physical existence. Everything is dying, the universe, or planet, the sun, every thing is heading toward disorder......Ourselves included, quite true, look around...
There is no evidence for this, I look around and things look about the same as I last checked. I don't see the stars falling out of the sky, or the world melting into mush. It seems the same to me.
Again, I don't think you have the first clue what you are talking about.

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Yaro
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Message 41 of 55 (125199)
07-16-2004 11:33 PM
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07-16-2004 11:27 PM


that translates to:
‘J:
What does it mean?

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coffee_addict
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Message 42 of 55 (125215)
07-17-2004 1:13 AM
Reply to: Message 41 by Yaro
07-16-2004 11:33 PM


Hey Yaro, this is your choice if you want to continue with this. However, he is being the typical creationist by jumping all over the place. If you want him to take this seriously, stop replying to him and demand that he focuses on a specific point. Just a suggestion.
I'm not going to get involved because I know exactly where this is going. Been there, done that.

The Laminator

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Percy
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Message 43 of 55 (125250)
07-17-2004 9:39 AM
Reply to: Message 29 by Nasa
07-16-2004 10:50 PM


Nasa writes:
Mainstream Evolution believes in the formation of a single cell, its from this cell that divided, then attacked its self- that the information for your eye for your ear and so forth came from.
I assume you were trying to say, "...it's from this cell that divided, then *attached* itself..."
Biology is a broad scientific field with many sub-disciplines. Evolution is one major discipline. So is abiogenesis, the origin of life. In other words, evolution and abiogenesis are two different disciplines within biology.
They are closely related. Evolution is imperfect reproduction combined with selection in each generation. Abiogenesis is the process by which reproduction originally developed and became established, and certainly selection played a large role.
No one will ever be able to say where abiogenesis ended and evolution took over. But certainly today we see nothing but evolution, and just as certainly billions of years ago, before there was real life, there was only the process of abiogenesis, meaning dead chemicals on their way to becoming life. It would be very difficult, probably impossible, to strictly classify into either category what came in between.
It is a frequent occurrence for Creationists to come here believing evolution is a theory of the origin of life, but it isn't. Evolution is a theory explaining how new species arise, not how life arose. Darwin's book was titled The Origin of Species, not The Origin of Life. Some Creationists believe God created the first life, then allowed it to evolve according to his plan.
But the fact that evolution and abiogenesis are separate disciplines should affect your argument very little. All the evolutionists here accept both evolution and abiogenesis, and reject a divine origin or influence for either one. It would just as devastating to us if you were to disprove abiogenesis as evolution, so go for it!
--Percy

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Message 44 of 55 (125251)
07-17-2004 9:40 AM
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07-17-2004 1:13 AM


Me too.
I've seen this post before...and the SN.

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Nasa
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Message 45 of 55 (125428)
07-18-2004 9:44 AM
Reply to: Message 40 by Yaro
07-16-2004 11:31 PM


First question, Do you believe the bible?
Next, the cycle you talk about (Death) animals eating one another, was not present in the Begining. - Genesis.
Seed fruits and grass, many of which types have been lost, was the soure of food.
Everything is decaying, dying, we need the creative, outside energy within us and with in direct- contact with the physical universe. God.
Are you an evolutionist....?
Genetic load, is the loss of information.......The increase in mutations causing death.
New super bugs (mutant viruses) are a prime example of this, loss of information causing death. Developed at the over use of Penicillin.
The target protein within the virus, that penicillin would attack and cause a poisonous reaction within the virus has been killed off.
Life was once perfect, in the sense that perfection once dwelt with it. The energy, -the life radiating from the Lord would not allow death, or decay.
Try look around you again, quite literally at morality.
The weather....Sun spots, causing great concern among many.
The sun just might not be that believed age.......Runing out fast.
Earthquakes at their highest recorded levels (worldwide) in power and frequency.
Wild fires, floods, famine and disease.....An Estimated 5 - 20 million people die from starvation due to freak weather patterns every year.
Topsoil loss, Trees....
The extinction of animal's at highest recorded levels.
Death caused by man, for he is that, dying. Are spirit is dead without the contact, or in dwelling of the Lords Holy spirit.
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