New Book: Kerry ‘Unfit for Command’

Crash/Patriot0717, It only makes the fire hotter if your adding hardwood, to a softwood fire, common sense is it not, I think the environmentalists should shoulder part of the responsiblity for the deaths of us and ours, like they really don't care much for the environment, pesticide/herbicide spraying of public schools(when they know its harmful by absorbtion), MTBE in gasoline polluting well waters, but we all know the evil's of environmentalists, that they care only about power to prevent us and ours, than to protect us and ours, but this is really a bit off topic, etc...P.S. Kerry recieves pay for services not rendered in the senate, not like GWB who recieved a salary for services rendered, earned points for extra duty, and was honorably discharged, etc...GWB has released all known documents as promised, Kerry simply refuses, its not hard to understand, Kerry is the one unfit to command, etc...CNN.com - White House releases Bush's military payroll records - Feb. 11, 2004"These documents make it very clear that the president of the United States fulfilled his duties," White House spokesman Scott McClellan said. "When you serve, you are paid for that service, and these documents outline the day he was paid.""We were not aware that this information existed, during the campaign, on the payroll records," said McClellan, who said the personnel center sent the information voluntarily.However, McClellan said, "he was paid for the days he served in the Air National Guard. That's why I said that these records clearly document that the president fulfilled his duties.""I think there are some that we are now seeing are not interested in the facts," McClellan said. "What they are interested in is trying to twist the facts for partisan political advantage in an election year, and that's unfortunate."The White House also released previously seen records of Bush's "point summaries" from the Texas Air National Guard. And White House officials released a letter from former Texas Air National Guard Personnel Director Albert Lloyd, stating the president had the required number of "points" for the year in question.The records indicate Bush received points toward service in October and November 1972 and in January, April and May 1973, and that he drilled extensively in June and July of that year.National Guard members earn points by attending regular assemblies, training and correspondence courses and being a member in good standing, according to the Army National Guard Web site.Bush left the service in October 1973 to attend Harvard Business School, and was honorably discharged.This message has been edited by whatever, 09-08-2004 10:25 AMThis message has been edited by whatever, 09-08-2004 10:32 AM

That's not what I was doing. It was all the same kind of wood, because it was all from the same fallen tree.When I added a bunch more logs, the fire got hotter, and we all had to move our chairs back from the fire to keep our beer cold.I'm sorry, Whatever, but your argument is false by inspection. But we know, from other documents, that Bush wasn't there - only that he was paid for being there.So, in fact, Bush has recieved pay for duities not performed.

Crash, Its not like the Senate where they pay someone for not being present, Nice try though, the fact show GWB is the more honorable man, etc...P.S. Your talking about the volume of air heated, not the actual temperature of the fire, etc...This message has been edited by whatever, 09-08-2004 10:30 AM

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This is another reason why Kerry should be president instead of being castigated by the Right-Wing machine. Kerry recognizes the danger of oil dependence - not just on the environment, but also on geo-politics - something that Bush and his Brain seem unable comprehend. Instead of blindly hating the environmentalists because the corporate lobby has been demonizing them for the past 50 years, Kerry recognizes that we have to be good stewards of the environment, as it does not belong to us, but is on loan for our lifetime and turned over to our children upon our death. So, Whatever, if you really care about "us and ours", you will recognize that we have a responsibility to safegard our environment. The list of reasons for trusting Kerry and giving Bush the boot is so long that we have only scratched the surface in this debate.BTW, it is intersting your choice of words, "us and ours", as if to emphasize the division between "us and ours" and "the environmentalists". This sort of divisive speech and divisive thought was a topic in the Bush 2000 campaign. Bush claimed to be a uniter, not a divider. But this technique of creating division that you employ here comes right out of the George W. Bush play book.This message has been edited by patriot0717, 09-08-2004 11:29 AM

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Your cite proves that they do, though.1) We know Bush was not present.
2) We know, thanks to the White House, that Bush was paid for being present.Ergo, Bush was paid for duty that he did not perform. It's just that simple and you've proved it with your own posts.

Patriot0717, I agree the environment is important, but the environmentalists care not for the environment, if they did care, they would of banned pesticide spraying on the schools, they know its absorbed through the skin, yet it continues, etc...The towers stood for too long after the explosion, to support your premise that asphestos if it would of been sprayed wouldn't of delayed its collapse, most of the people died because they didn't have the time needed for escape, etc...Truly the environmentalists should of fessed up(but they never do), but likely in this case simply supported the flame was hotter, so to avoid liability, the reason California has such problems is those environmental laws, that are not preventing the pollution of the earth, but simply relocating pollution to other parts of the planet, etc...P.S. I'm all for alternative energies that are affordable to the masses, but it will never happen because Kerry needs to increase the tax on gasoline for his social agendas, using the environment as a front, to tax you more, etc...Personally, we should simply split the water molecule on demand(the link I provided earlier in either this thread of the GWB thread, using harmonics between electrodes as the patent suggests 250 khz, to catalze the rate of conversion rate between harmonic electrodes, so it could generate enough hydrogen on demand (throttle response or as the patent suggested 4 volt swing) to run our cars(it could be made safe, cause it would only be making hydrogen on demand(not like the car companies plans to have hydrogen compressed into tanks, which too me would be extremely less safe, likely for this to be a go, they would have to coat the heads with ceramics, stainless steel valves, and exhaust, but will likely never happen cause they need the tax on gas to run the economy, etc...The patent was quite interesting how this could be used to heat the home too,but because the flame is hotter, it would have to be designed with ceramics for heating the home, but well I'm not an engineer and well it sounds worth pursuing(because it would be only the price of water, and not the price of oil, likely never will happen because of the anti-christs need to take away our rights to impliment his system, to be dependent, and not independent, to his system in the perhaps not to distant future, the threat is globalism, and they are using the environment to press their agenda's forward, when they likely already know of the sciences of splitting the water molecule, but like the environmentalists, they too do not really care about the environment, but only about globalisms. Leaning this is why you see only fuel cells moving the hydrogen ion to power cars, rather than producing hydrogen gas on demand to power the combustion engine, gasoline is quite explosive too, and hydrogen combustion seems the more practical approach to the energy problem, but well its likely more complex(non-explosive magnetic level sensors to maintain water level without explosions, safety shutoff low level sensors, but with our technology simply can not take it for granted that it can not be done, etc...But I drive a Geo Metro that gets 57 mpg, so I'm doing my part, etc...This message has been edited by whatever, 09-08-2004 12:01 PMThis message has been edited by whatever, 09-08-2004 01:07 PM

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You asked for a reply, but when a diatribe is so-o-o-o-o long, I tend not to read them, and hence reply to buried questions. The news media! I suspect that the majority of those that misunderstood were liberals. Bush did not state that the attackers were Iraqi. Don't pin the misunderstanding on him. What???? You have weird logic. That is not a valid conclusion. He should ONLY listen to one source, and one that Saddam could dance around? If you applied that line of reasoning to evidence in the Evo vs Cre debate, you could not refute Creationism!Once again, I am suffering from waste-of-time syndrome replying to your lack of logic. Now you know why I don't always respond to liberals. It looks like Kerry and a bunch of others fell for our Intelligence reports, too. That does not make them "liars", though. You got the sound bite, but not the meat (as intended by the predominantly liberal leanings of the commission). Your statement is incorrect. By your logic, that makes you a "liar". Realistically, it just means you are not paying attention to the facts. The commission did not make the statement you claim. They instead stated that the 9/11 event did not have an Iraqi connection evidence. There is written evidence of Al Qaeda in Iraq and meeting with Saddam's regime, but just because there was no direct connection with 9/11 does not mean there was no future threat either financed or sponsored by Saddam. Once again we have a liberal chasing the "intent" business. If I recall, even Clinton had attack plans in case they were ever needed. This is common practice to have plans, just in case you need them. It's called "being prepared", something taught in Boy Scouts, too.Clarke has already been discredited. I see no need to go down a well-trodden path there. He is in a difficult and dangerous location to search. Putting a massive search effort and still coming-up empty (and possibly losing troops in a failed mission) raises Osama to a higher cult following. Meanwhile, it actually looks better to have him hiding, afraid to come out, and only a small set of troops to keep him hiding. Obviously, you disagree. But that does not prove a point. WE ARE CONCENTRATING ON AL QAIDA!!
WE CAN DO TWO THINGS AT ONE TIME WITH DIFFERENT RESOURCES!!I guess you are ignoring the fact that Saddam offered money to terrorist families. I guess you are ignoring the fact that Saddam was willing to furnish weapons to terrorists. I grant there is potential for abuse, but the risk of allowing a terrorist to potentially destroy millions of lives is worth it until we have a better idea or until we have reduced the risk (of which I see none from liberals, other than to increase our risk). Hmmm. Intriguing. Please answer MY question: What exactly is your real name? Where do you live and work? What you and apparently many liberals don't understand or accept is that oil in the hands of terrorist-supporting states is a danger to the USA. It's OK for other regimes to handle their oil, as long as they are not funneling money to the terrorists. That's the message. Libya understood. You don't. It's more important that nations get the message than a few liberals.Whew! OK. I responded to your post... this time. By not making any good points, you have decreased my desire to respond to any more of your long diatribes. I'll have to be picky on your "points".

You mean bringing up the fact that bush did not fulfill his ANG duty and got a sweet deal because he was connected and pulled strings?As I understand it the charges made against bush have not been proven wrong -- which should be easy, IF he did what hes SAYS he did.And I just love the way the number of SBV's just keeps growing -- when it gets to 1000 let me know okay? (How many fit on a boat? How many boats go out? how many are stationed together?)AND I haven't seen any on your list filling to have legal action taken against bush -- that was the tactic I was specifically addressing (rather than a broad brush as you imply).Fresh news on Bush:
Lawsuit uncovers Bush Guard records (September 8, 2004)
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Bush fell short on duty at Guard - Records show pledges unmet (September 8, 2004)
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Bush Keeps Lying About Military Record {end edit}Its been 4 years and still nobody can prove that he was in Alabama OR finished his tour of duty.Looks like some people are beginning to notice that he is lying about his service. That would go to character don't you think?This message has been edited by RAZD, 09-08-2004 02:32 PM

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Razd, You shouldn't be concerned cause GWB got paid for the time he made up in the months preceeding his honorable discharge, you forget GWB signed up for inactive reserve, but never was called up cause the plane was retired early, 2 to 3 years after his honorable discharge, one of the reasons he was allowed an early discharge, was that the plane was to be retired early, but GWB still signed up for inactive reserve in case they needed him to fly the plane that was to be discontinued, and was approximately 3 years later, so he could of been called up as inactive reserves today have been called upon to serve in Iraq, etc...P.S. You should at least hold Kerry to the standard you looking at GWB, but we all know why Kerry refuses to release his complete medical military records, and its not the same as GWB believing they were not available because of protocal was suppose to have destroy those records after 24 months, but all supports he made up time for being allowed to be a part of the Senate Campaign and his ability to have an honorable discharge early, cause they allowed him to make up time missed. Its interesting that his plane was retired within a couple of years, etc... Do you think Kerry should be forced to go to active duty in Iraq if its proven by Judicial Watch suit to the navy, that he never earned some of those purple hearts, etc...You really need to realize your candidate is not being upfront, still refusing to back with facts, what he says, its called putting foot in mouth and the Vets basically have caught Kerry with foot in mouth disease, and until Kerry releases his complete naval military medical records all the people see is Kerry foot in mouth, which means what KERRY says isn't what hes done, saying he voted for the middle class, when in truth hes voted to increase middle class taxes, Kerry has proven that he is not patriotic but self serving, aiding not our own, which is why the Vets are up in arms against not Bush but the Man who is hiding behind a mask, thats been unmasked by the Swift Vets, holding Kerry to a higher standard, cause they have a beef with what Kerry did, and what he says, to them Kerry is a traitor, and GWB is not, etc...Kerry smeared the Vets but GWB after his honorable discharge put himself in the inactive reserve, so he could of been called back into the Service, to fly that plane, that was retired early(approximately 2 to 3 years after he was discharged), so there was no need to call the inactive reserve to active duty, so GWB wasn't called back to active duty. Its quite simple GWB was willing to fly the plane, if our Country needed him, which is why he signed up for inactive reserve(because the plane wasn't going to be retired for several years), but Kerry when he left the military attacked our own, to self serve a political career, the fact speak out in favor of GWB for 4 more years, etc...This message has been edited by whatever, 09-08-2004 05:09 PM

Just to be perfectly clear here. Those unaquainted with the concept of levels of malfeasance...Bush being AWOL and a deserter is worse than anything they have accused Kerry of doing (or not doing as the case may be)To claim that this is a lower standard than Kerry is held to is either ignorant, stupid, malicious or insane.Anyone who doesn't see that Bush's continuing claims - even this year - of completing his service with an honorable discharge has some serious problems with the facts that are known is also ignorant, stupid, malicious or insane.Now if it is just ignorance, well -- that can be cured.But don't take my word for it: read the articles:Fresh news on Bush:
Lawsuit uncovers Bush Guard records (September 8, 2004)
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Bush fell short on duty at Guard - Records show pledges unmet (September 8, 2004)
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Bush Keeps Lying About Military RecordThere is still an outstanding reward last time I checked for anyone that can prove he did any of what he claims for the missing period.Enjoy.

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Razd, You still don't get it, if your applying for a job, references of those that worked alongside is apart of the resume, ever hear of references(probably not), 200 + Vets say don't hire Kerry for the job of commander an chief, that he's not fit to command, we all know how mediocore his Senate record was, and is, where he's recieving a salary for time not present, violating Federal law, so many problems with Kerrys character, to lead, and why he burns all his bridges, the Vets should of supported one of their own, you don't need a bridge burner in the office of president, you need someone like GWB that has not burned his bridges, rather than smearing the Vets character, as Kerry was guilty of doing, no wonder the Vets are outraged at Kerry saying he is one of them, the Vets say he is not to be trusted, they should know, cause they served with the man, etc...P.S. Its anyone but Kerry, if you don't like GWB then vote for Nader, but the Vets message is Mr. Kerry is not to be trusted, read the Oliver North letter to Mr. Kerry, read the Swiftboat Vets letter to Kerry, read about Kerry refusing to release his complete military records, truly its anyone but Kerry, etc...Page not found - Plaza | Fretag i StockholmPage not found - Plaza | Fretag i StockholmOliver Norths letter to John Kerry.http://www.townhall.com/.../ollienorth/printon20040827.shtmlSwiftVets letter to John KerrySwift Vets and POWs for Truth - Swift Veterans Letter to John KerryKerry reneges on providing a complete naval military and naval records.http://www.newsmax.com/...es/articles/2004/4/20/171506.shtmlThis message has been edited by whatever, 09-08-2004 05:44 PMThis message has been edited by whatever, 09-08-2004 09:32 PMThis message has been edited by whatever, 09-08-2004 10:00 PM