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ThingsChange
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Message 556 of 612 (140792)
09-07-2004 7:57 PM
Reply to: Message 547 by patriot0717
09-07-2004 12:44 PM


Re: whatever, please answer the question.
patriot0717 writes:
2. What steps do you think should be taken to prevent Cheney from siphoning off billions of dollars into his Haliburton bank account via the Iraq war?
patriot0717 writes:
3. How do we stop Bu$h from raiding the social security fund and then eliminating the program all together?
patriot0717 writes:
Whatever, usually the way in which a person determines credibility is to compare a persons words with the truth.
Before you take Whatever to task, check your own "truth".
Dick Cheney does not have a conflict of interest with Halliburton equities. If he did, the Democrats would be all over this issue.
Congress, not Bush, organizes the budgets and allocates the money. Bush cannot eliminate Social Security, even if he wanted.

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Message 557 of 612 (140798)
09-07-2004 8:10 PM


SwiftVets bring GWB the percentages, etc...
It doesn't matter, the people simply don't trust Kerry, think the swiftboat Vets, have brought GWB the percentages lead, in spite of the media supporting Kerry, its quite interesting, cause the stock markets rising(means the economy improving), the only issue left Kerry is his ability to lead, the military, and the Vets attest he is a traitor to the military and not mentally able to be trusted with command, These Vets is the reason Kerry will lose, cause the people simply don't trust someone that flips and flops, says he is a hero, then a war protester, then a hero, but not supported by the Vets, and General Franks testifying his opinion, as an independent voter that he supports GWB, Democratic senator Zell bashing Kerry senate record in relation to supporting the militay, Arnold suggesting Democrats are girlie men, all this postive testimonies has simply been sinking Kerrys ship, and we can thank God the republicans are not girlie men, and the American people polled agree, and give GWB the lead, the last heard over 52 percent support GWB, heard an interesting joke on Jay Leno, that its going so bad for Kerry that he promised if elected, he would tell the truth, so Kerry's ability to tell the truth is being made fun of, Kerry too me, simply burned his bridges, the Vets should support one of their own, but Kerry turned on the Vets, and because of Kerry flipping on them, these Vets will continue to bring GWB the victory, and there is likely nothing you all can do about it, cause Kerry believablity is questionable, his judgment is questionable for him to stress his questionable service record as his qualification to be commander and chief over those Vets that accuse him of treason, etc...The American people are smart enough to see its not in their best interest to elect Kerry to be commander and chief over our military, to become president of the United States, etc...
Whats at stake is the Stock Market and American's retirement mutual funds, our basic freedoms, and the clear leadership that GWB has consistently gave us and ours, standing up against the global warming conspiracy that would of stifled our economy, the american people realize that Kerry would support these perverse global agendas (them and their agenda's, not Americans agenda's), penalizing industry by more stingent EPA standards, taxing small buisnesses to death and the only jobs remaining in america, to fund his social plans that will only create rubber stamp jobs, and increase your taxes, Remember that Kerry consistently votes for increases in taxes, GWB has actually done the opposite giving the american people more take home pay, lowering taxes, and will make this tax break permanent, by having less government, which is the opposite of kerrys plans of more government that can only be achieved by cutting intelligence spending(which Kerry voted for), cutting the military(kerry voted to not support our troops so he votes to cut military moneys when its needed), and raising your taxes(something Kerry believes in raising taxes because he consistently voted to increase middle income taxes), Democrats like Kerry want a free lunch, "your money" for those who do not like working(like how many girls in the past got pregnant cause it mean't more government money's), like Kerry who hardly ever shows up in the senate yet recieves senator's salary for time not present(we all would like a job we get paid for where we didn't need to show up), (interestingly John Kerry presently is recieving this money is breaking federal law), Why should Kerry not be thrown in jail with Martha Stewart, for they both broke federal law?, should Kerry challenge John O'Neil for libel, so he can be tried for treason, etc...Do you really want to vote for someone who willfully is breaking federal law while he campaigns (most of us like Martha Stewart get prosecuted when they break federal law), cause Kerry is a lawyer(should not he be held to a higher standard), cause he willfully knows hes breaking federal law (he married a rich woman, he doesn't need to break the laws he would be sworn to uphold if elected), truly Kerry is simply unfit to command, he doesn't tell the whole truth, willfully breaks federal laws, problems with his silver star (combat V), and his refusal to release his complete naval military and medical records, etc...
This is about Kerry being proven unfit to command by the Swift boat Vets against Kerry, even a democratic senator testifying that Kerry a Democrat is not fit to command our military, and an independent General Franks being frank about Kerry, was unfit to command, though he said, he based it on what Kerry did after he was released from the military, but feeling so strong about it that he switched for this election to support GWB, for 4 more years.
P.S. I personally don't feel Kerry is a coward, liken him more liken to the BENEDICT ARNOLD SYNDROME, putting self before country, etc...

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Message 558 of 612 (140814)
09-07-2004 8:47 PM
Reply to: Message 555 by nator
09-07-2004 7:27 PM


Who was really responsible for the early collapse of the twin towers
Did you hear the people responsible for all the deaths at the twin towers were the environmentalists, its was something about the head engineer who built the twin towers requested a safe asphetos spray on the gridons, supporting the floors, be sprayed in the upper levels, cause if a fire took hold the towers would be suspetible to collapse, but the environmentalist won, the gridion supports were not sprayed, and the twin towers collapsed, so the question of the lives of those that died could of had been granted more than enough time to escape, if only the enviornmentalists would of supported safety, instead of politics, etc...
P.S. Where do you think those responsible are hiding, but GWB did get Sadam, and likely is still pursuing all the men responsible for the twin tower bombing, the world is a safer place because GWB didn't back down, to rogue nations like Iraq, North Korea, going forward with star wars shield, to protect us from North Korea and other like rogue nations, etc... Do you really feel you can trust Iran if they have Nucleur Missles, GWB is not about to let our guard down, Kerry believes in Chamberlains philosophy(hitler was his friend), that the enemy is his friend, and indeed the enemy has honored Mr, Kerry in their war museum for his part in the propagada war for their Victory over the US, and China main newspaper has supported Kerry, as the candidate, likely cause of Kerry giving their military US hardened nucleur chip technology, so they can nuke america, and we can do nothing about it, so I guess they have their reasons for wanting Kerry at the helm, but the military Vets have spoken, do you have ears, to hear, or is your fingers in you ears, to believe anyone but GWB, perhaps its time you take your headphones off, what you should be saying is anyone but Kerry, etc..

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Coragyps
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Message 559 of 612 (140815)
09-07-2004 8:52 PM
Reply to: Message 558 by johnfolton
09-07-2004 8:47 PM


Re: Who was really responsible for the early collapse of the twin towers
I heard that it was you that caused them to collapse early, Whatever. I'm going to spread that word all over the internet. You are the one to blame.

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jar
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Message 560 of 612 (140817)
09-07-2004 9:05 PM
Reply to: Message 558 by johnfolton
09-07-2004 8:47 PM


Re: Who was really responsible for the early collapse of the twin towers
Did you hear the people responsible for all the deaths at the twin towers were the environmentalists,
Yet another simply unsupported assertion. The problem was not the insulation but the actual fire and the structural design. And even the design did all that was expected of it.
Here is a link to the Nova summary on the incident

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nator
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Message 561 of 612 (140828)
09-07-2004 10:13 PM
Reply to: Message 556 by ThingsChange
09-07-2004 7:57 PM


Re: whatever, please answer the question.
TC, a reply to message #515, please.
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ThingsChange
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Message 562 of 612 (140829)
09-07-2004 10:14 PM
Reply to: Message 512 by RAZD
09-04-2004 12:53 AM


Re: but aren't you concerned?
RAZD writes:
This is orchestrated just as the SBV was ...
You seem to rely on a lot of conspiracies and speculative intent instead of just evaluating the facts. For example, the 200+ SBV's make good points and feel strongly about their views. Unless you call all 200 liars or prove they have been paid for their views, then I don't think you can claim Bush is putting them up to it.
RAZD writes:
..doesn't it disturb you that such tactics are being used?
You haven't convinced me that tactics are being used. That is your speculation and interpretation.
Besides that, the Democrats are the worst at using the very tactics you despise. Look at what MoveOn, MMoore, Kennedy, Gephardt and even Kerry says about Bush.

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nator
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Message 563 of 612 (140830)
09-07-2004 10:17 PM
Reply to: Message 558 by johnfolton
09-07-2004 8:47 PM


Re: Who was really responsible for the early collapse of the twin towers
I'm sorry, but nothing you wrote had anything to do with the questions I asked.
I'll ask them again, for what I think is around the 6th or 7th time:
Whatever, how did the public get the idea that the people who flew the planes into the WTC were Iraqi?
Also, do you not mind getting a tax increase while the rich get a tax decrease?
Answer the questions.

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nator
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Message 564 of 612 (140831)
09-07-2004 10:19 PM
Reply to: Message 562 by ThingsChange
09-07-2004 10:14 PM


Re: but aren't you concerned?
Just to make sure...
a reply to message #515 in this thread, please.
You have left a great deal hanging, Change.
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ThingsChange
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Message 565 of 612 (140833)
09-07-2004 10:24 PM
Reply to: Message 516 by crashfrog
09-05-2004 4:26 PM


SBV's know Kerry
crashfrog writes:
Most of the vets didn't actually serve with Kerry
They witnessed Kerry in action. Boats did not travel alone, but in groups. They were with him, even if they did not "serve" with him (as defined by Democrats: on the same boat).
Then, there are the events while not on the boat. The collection of events that the SBV's witnessed and are bringing to our attention is impressive.
testimony of other vets,
Let's see... 4 vets in support of Kerry, 200+ against.
You believe the 4.
So, when Creationists have a few unexplained evidences that contracdict evolution, do you also favor the few against the many?

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Message 566 of 612 (140837)
09-07-2004 10:50 PM
Reply to: Message 554 by patriot0717
09-07-2004 7:19 PM


Re: How to restore American Democracy
... a committee formed from an equal number ...
... only after they decided to "hire" one.
Do you mean judges for the investigation? Maybe. If you mean appointments for Supreme Court Justices and other court appointments
Not for the Supreme Court, no: that is a constitutional provision for one. Yes, I think having them make recommendations to Congress for suitable Federal Judges to serve a 4? 6? year term rather than a president with a lot of political strings to pay off would improve the level of judges and reduce the political partisanship that means an understaffed justice system, which hurts everyone. And it would have to be a Majority of the SC to recommend the list.
Would Scalia or Thomas be worse than Bush?

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ThingsChange
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Message 567 of 612 (140838)
09-07-2004 11:00 PM
Reply to: Message 520 by patriot0717
09-06-2004 1:20 AM


Who is lying?
patriot0717 writes:
Kerry has released every document relating to his military service...
...and... P.S. Do you really like being lied to that much?
Correction: Kerry has selectively released records. There are still gaps (at key events) and missing medical records. He has not filled-out a Release form that would allow others to see the records.
Quit trying to deflect the issue to Bush's records. He is not the one claiming heroism on his service. Focus on Kerry's claims and the believability of them. This is a character issue for Kerry. All his officers from his time of duty are claiming Kerry is unfit for command. If that doesn't raise doubt about his leadership skills, what does it take?
So, to answer your question: No. I don't like being lied to. Expecially by Kerry supporters.

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Message 568 of 612 (140842)
09-07-2004 11:19 PM
Reply to: Message 567 by ThingsChange
09-07-2004 11:00 PM


Re: Who is lying?
All his officers from his time of duty are claiming Kerry is unfit for command.
You mean, all the officers who gave him such glowing reviews at the time?
Funny, that, that they would only come forth and change their minds once they started being paid by Republicans to do so.

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crashfrog
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Message 569 of 612 (140843)
09-07-2004 11:27 PM
Reply to: Message 565 by ThingsChange
09-07-2004 10:24 PM


They witnessed Kerry in action.
Oh? Did they? Funny that they didn't seem to have anything better to do than watch the actions of a nobody lieutenant from Massachusetts.
Let's see... 4 vets in support of Kerry, 200+ against.
11 out of the 12 vets on Kerry's boat. 200+ vets who:
1) weren't even there when Kerry was there, like John O'Neill;
2) tell stories directly contradicted by other men on their boats, like Thurlow;
3) tell storied directly contradicted by their own testimony at the time, like Hoffmann
Hopefully you get the point. The only way one would find the Swift Boat claims in the least convincing is if one had failed to actually examine the facts.
So, when Creationists have a few unexplained evidences that contracdict evolution, do you also favor the few against the many?
I favor the evidence. The evidence substantiates Kerry's version of events. The Swift Boaters can't even get their stories straight.

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nator
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Message 570 of 612 (140844)
09-07-2004 11:27 PM
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09-07-2004 10:24 PM


Re: SBV's know Kerry
quote:
Let's see... 4 vets in support of Kerry, 200+ against.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/...icles/A26519-2004Aug23.html
quote:
Bush praised Kerry's military service in Vietnam. "I think Senator Kerry served admirably, and he ought to be proud of his record," he said.
Do you disagree with Bush now?
and, BTW, the anti kerry swiftboaters are continuing to be proven wrong by official Navy documents, some written by the swifties themselves.
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The Navy task force overseeing John Kerry?s swift boat squadron in Vietnam reported that his group of boats came under enemy fire during a March 13, 1969, incident that three decades later is being challenged by the Democratic presidential nominee?s critics.
The March 18, 1969, weekly report from Task Force 115, which was located by The Associated Press during a search of Navy archives, is the latest document to surface that supports Kerry?s description of an event for which he won a Bronze Star and a third Purple Heart.
The Task Force report twice mentions the incident five days earlier and both times calls it ?an enemy initiated firefight? that included automatic weapons fire and underwater mines used against a group of five boats that included Kerry?s.
Task Force 115 was commanded at the time by retired Rear Adm. Roy Hoffmann, the founder of the group Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, which has been running ads challenging Kerry?s account of the episode.

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