Hey Mark and others

Giant Rat of SumatraMoose

The thread where this belongs has been closed so I'll post it here:"Evolution is best to explain the mechanisms, not the creation. Even if the current state of abiogenesis theory is falsified, the fact of evolution remains the same. No matter what your interpretation of either theory, both suggest a young earth (creationists) to be fallible.
--No, not really. I'm a firm believer in Evolution, but I'm a YEC. That evolution has occurred is of no dispute to me, but rather whether it has occurred throughout all geologic time."Creationists says-
One must have the faith to believe the complex micro machinery common to all cellular life must have randomly formed out of the elements on earth. No one has even come close to explaining how the ATP synthase motor (required for life) could've formed randomly. If one found an alternator in the jungle, one wouldn't think a chunk of iron gradually eroded into the alternator. One could reasonable conclude design from such a discovery, the same as one could reasonably conclude design in the ATP synthase motor.Do any of you have suggestions or readings to contradict the creationist? Please remember we are not professors, but mere mortals with science. Thanks. "
--The YEC you've conversed with has indicated several flaws.
--Where he says, "One must have the faith to believe...", you must also have 'faith' to believe that anything has occurred prior the capabilities of direct scientific observation. That which has occurred antecedent to this is inferred from the data. Even still, his usage of 'faith' is a bit fallacious/misleading.
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If one found an alternator in the jungle, one wouldn't think a chunk of iron gradually eroded into the alternator. One could reasonable conclude design from such a discovery, the same as one could reasonably conclude design in the ATP synthase motor.

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--His deduction for ID, is the subjective 'goddidit' argumentum.
--Someone else can take a stab at the phylogeny of ATP synthesis.-------------------
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I thought it was 'creation Vs Evolution', but I don't see
how it makes a difference.'Hulk Vs Thing' 'Thing Vs Hulk' ... all the same
just depends whose comic it's in