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Coragyps
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Message 9 of 243 (310313)
05-08-2006 1:39 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by Hyroglyphx
05-08-2006 1:31 PM


Re: Some random thoughts.
Why don't they play music?
Uhhhh.....you've never heard of a bird? Or a humpback whale?

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Coragyps
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Message 15 of 243 (310357)
05-08-2006 4:55 PM
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05-08-2006 3:22 PM


Re: The evolution of morality
My thoughts, too, Q. We differ from chimps and bonobos (and many other social species) in how widely we define "family." It was a few hundred people not that long ago - look at the Plains Indians tribes, for instance, most of whom seemed to think the were "The People" and all others were lesser beings. Like you say, we're up to nations or large subsets of them here in 2006, but we need to get better at spreading it out.

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Message 26 of 243 (310484)
05-09-2006 11:48 AM
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05-09-2006 9:08 AM


Re: Some random thoughts.
If music speaks to us, it speaks to us on an individual and spiritual level. I think everyone could agree with that even if they didn't ascribe to any theistic beliefs.
"Spiritual." What does that mean? That you're haunted?

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Coragyps
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Message 50 of 243 (311238)
05-11-2006 10:29 PM
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05-11-2006 9:37 PM


Re: The altruism conundrum
It represents that animals don't have the ability to reason in the same way a human does. Stick one bowl of food in front of two dogs. What happens? They fight and growl until one takes on the dominant role and the other takes the submissive role.
Though I've seen on several occasions where your "dominant" role is taken by a barely-weaned puppy, and the "submissive" role by a (or once four) unrelated male big enough to eat the puppy in two bites. It looked like altruism to me....
And a six-week beagle pup inside the food bowl growling at a full-grown German Shepherd is a charming sight, besides.

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Coragyps
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Message 80 of 243 (311509)
05-12-2006 5:36 PM
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05-12-2006 4:28 PM


Re: The altruism conundrum
Are we not men? We are DEVO.......

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Coragyps
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Message 150 of 243 (313240)
05-18-2006 3:33 PM
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05-18-2006 2:52 PM


Re: When rationalism fails
We're currently discussing homosexuality which would obviously only occur in mammalian vertebrates.
Penguins are mammalian now?
Linky

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Coragyps
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Message 163 of 243 (313363)
05-18-2006 9:01 PM
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05-18-2006 8:11 PM


Re: Glossing over the obvious
Caring for our offspring helped us to evolve? Did this act help the lemur to evolve, since it evolved according to the theory? Did caring for its young help the trout evolve, because according to the theory it evolved? Did caring for its young help the paramecium to evolve, because according to the theory it evolved?
Do paramecia, trout, lemurs, and humans all live in the same sort of environments and make their living the same way? Do humans produce the same number of fertilized ova as trout?
You need to slow down and think for a minute before you go off on these rants, Nem. If mama people had as many offspring as mama trout, they might have no need to watch out for them, either.
On another bit from above: kin that don't reproduce are very important to the survival of young in quite a few critters. Honeybees would immediately go extinct without all those sterile workers. Among mammals, naked mole rats have a "queen" who is the only reproductive female in the colony. The other females help care for the young, and one takes over if the queen dies.
Edited by Coragyps, : kan't tipe

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Message 166 of 243 (313377)
05-18-2006 10:42 PM
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05-18-2006 10:08 PM


Re: Glossing over the obvious
Unfortunately the people who need to read it the most will attempt to refute it before reading it.
You've noticed that too, huh? Like the folks who shouted about The Last Temptation of Christ and now The DaVinci Code.

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Coragyps
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Message 186 of 243 (313581)
05-19-2006 3:34 PM
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05-19-2006 2:56 PM


Re: Glossing over the obvious
While we're here:
Page Not Found | OHSU
shows a definite biological basis for homosexuality in sheep. Genetic? Apparently that's not known yet - but there are definitely biochemical differences between gay and straight rams.
Pederast fruit flies, too, but with better-established biochemistry:
Dopamine and Mushroom Bodies in Drosophila: Experience-Dependent and -Independent Aspects of Sexual Behavior

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