Has evolution been proven ?

Creationman, All you've admitted is that dogs reproduce, let me be more specific;
do you think all canines (foxes, wolves, etc) had a common ancestor?Mark[This message has been edited by mark24, 04-04-2004]

Where the freaking hell did you get this information from? Let me guess, you got this from some preacher somewhere without even looking it up. You mean to tell me that you've never digested non-organic matter before?Repeat after me. Digestion of food has absolutely nothing to do with the DNA makeup of the food itself.

now now, don't put salt on the wound ...

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In reply to my own post, I have come up with a way to prove which of the two is the truth. Ok, here's the plan, we all just believe what we want, live our lives, and die. If evolution is correct, nobody will know b/c we'll be dead and no longer exist. However, if Creationism is true, then everyone will know b/c we'll be face to face with the Creator and He'll be asking us why we should be allowed into Heaven.

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Here is a better test. Erase everyone's memories and burn every page that has writing on it. Which theory will be rediscovered, evolution or creationism? Evolution can be rediscovered since the evidence is in the ground and written in the DNA of organisms. Christian creationism can not be rediscovered since it is stringently supported by a book that would not be rediscovered.

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Here is a better test. Erase everyone's memories and burn every page that has writing on it. Which theory will be rediscovered, evolution or creationism? Evolution can be rediscovered since the evidence is in the ground and written in the DNA of organisms. Christian creationism can not be rediscovered since it is stringently supported by a book that would not be rediscovered.

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I actually used this same argument last month to argue in a philosophy debate why art is more important than science.

Most excellent!!! Can I use that?

It's fun?

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If the evidence is so obvious and so overpowering that it totally destroys Creationism, why are you and everyone else on forums such as these wasting your time arguing with ignorant and stubborn morans like me, as others have labeled us?http://http://http://

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Because if we remain passive in this matter, you people will eventually take over the world and force the rest of us to be as ignorant as you at gun point.

Christian creationism can not be rediscovered since it is stringently supported by a book that would not be rediscovered.You're looking at this as though God is unable to talk to us, Christianity would be "rediscovered" with no problem because God is able to talk to His people.

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Only DNA is known to produce DNA. No chemical interaction of molecules has even come close to producing this ultra-complex code which is so essential to all known life.

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You're looking at this as though God is unable to talk to us, Christianity would be "rediscovered" with no problem because God is able to talk to His people.

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Yes, but in modern days that usually resulted in mass suicides, snipings, or births of doomsday cults. The question is how do you know who God has spoken to and who are just plane crazy or power hungry?

Yes, but in modern days that usually resulted in mass suicides, snipings, or births of doomsday cults. The question is how do you know who God has spoken to and who are just plane crazy or power hungry?If we are still assuming this is after everyone's minds have been erased along with all printed pages burnt, and someone just started talking about God, then there would be really no way to know because no body else would have any knowledge of their own to argue with them. However, if we are speaking as of now, already with knowledge of God, and with the Bible as a resource, then if someone says they have been spoken to by God, then we must check it with the scriptures. If what the person says matches what the Bible says, and also comes to pass, then their message is most likely from God. There is, however, only one way to be certain that someone has really been spoken to by God, and that is for God to confirm it by revealing Himself to you through the Bible, prayer or circumstances.

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Only DNA is known to produce DNA. No chemical interaction of molecules has even come close to producing this ultra-complex code which is so essential to all known life.

Thanks for the resources JonF, I'll be sure to study Thermodynamics whenever I can so that we may continue this debate after I have widened my knowledge of the subject.

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Only DNA is known to produce DNA. No chemical interaction of molecules has even come close to producing this ultra-complex code which is so essential to all known life.

Good attitude.You really should change your signature; it's false.

That was already pointed out to me by Sylas and Percy, so of course I'll have to change it. How's this signature, any arguments against it?[This message has been edited by SoulFire, 04-06-2004]

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During all recorded human history, there has never been a substantiated case of a living thing being produced from anything other than another living thing.

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During all recorded human history, there has never been a substantiated case of a living thing being produced from anything other than another living thing.

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How about the artificial creation of a bacteriophage? I know that viruses do not technically satisfy all of the requirements of life, but once put into a bacterium, the bacteriophage began to replicate. I'll get the site information for you in a bit...http://www.usatoday.com/...ce/2003-11-13-new-life-usat_x.htm(Web address added by edit)[This message has been edited by hitchy, 04-06-2004]