Why do we only find fossils?

That'll work.

I'm sure you were denying this kind of argument had any merit when asking why we don't see certain whale fossils at certain locales...I know that has a great potential to swing this off topic so let's not go down that that route. But as Yaro said, Dinos seem to be relatively well represented in that locale, but not in the tar pits.

Hmmm....so are you claiming that if we don't see whales at locations, then they didn't exist during that era?

No, his point was that you used a similar argument to one that was posed to you back in the whale thread. Please lets not go down that road here!You said something along the lines of "Maybe there just weren't dinos around in that area."Back in the whale thread you were told that fosilization was a matter of habitat. If there weren't very many of a given type of creature in an area, we shouldn't expect a significant amount of fossils.You dismissed that argument.Though, I still fail to see how any of the two aproaches are relevant to this thread since we know that:a) dinosaurs were common in th american southwest.
b) no dinos, or any species from the dino era (bugs, mammals, amphibians, etc.) are represented in the tarpits.

I believe that was the crux of your argument. Ours was, to paraphrase your Message 33: Hence why I said what I just said in Message 47

Hi, Whirwind...you are off topic for THIS thread, but there are other threads talking about Ark stuff.... (Where did they put the two termites, BTW?)

Just answer the question modulous?

Is he willing to take a stand or not?Seems like he wants to have it both ways here, and somehow accusses me of that.

I think La Brea is definative proof that the YEC view on things is pretty much flawed. Two things are easely proven using La Brea as an example: Point number 2 is intriguing, because it also acts as proof for evolution (or at least leaves a very big unanswerd question for the creationist). Where did all these strange creatures go, and where did they come from?After all, we can safely say dinos weren't arround to get stuck in the pit. Further, we can also say that the critters in the pit weren't arround when dinos were around.The later point (2) needs to be elaborated a bit here: Conclusion:This suggests evolution to me. However, the creationist would have much trouble addressing te 2 points above which can be safely infered by examining La Brea.ABE: I ment tricerotops not stegosaurus.This message has been edited by Yaro, 11-10-2005 12:49 PM

I'm sorry, my Message 50 was terribly obfuscated. If you aren't able to untangle the webs of wit and powerful rhetoric, let me help you: No - that's a closer description of what you were trying to claim.

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I hope you aren't trying to take up the next 10 pages of this thread with this.

You are trying to have it both ways here, and that's wrong Modulous. Take a stand, please.Btw, I guess it went right over your head the fact that in the whale examples we were discussing creatures presently in abundance whereas with the dinos we were theorizing if any species could have survived.But it seems you have to people spell out the very obvious. We had an abundance of A (Basilosaurus for example) and then an abundance of, say, Z, but we see nothing of the species in between.With dinos, we don't see an abundance of Z.I can only hope you are able to grasp the difference. Can you?

I answered your question, with an obvious 'No' in Message 50 and a direct, blatant and explicit 'No' in Message 55. How am I not taking a stand, randman? Not at all, I agree that the two situations are different. In the whale scenario we do not know if our inbetween species existed in that locale or if they existed in significant numbers. In the dino example we know that dinos existed at that locale and in significant numbers. Entirely different.

What a mass of confused thinking! So dinos existed during the time of the La Brea tar pits, but we just cannot find their bones, eh?

Not at the time of La Brea, before La Brea. The Southwestern US is full of dino fossils. Why don't the dinos show up in the pit?

Please point out where he said that dinos existed at the time that the La Brea tar pit existed.

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