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Wounded King
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Message 84 of 104 (335358)
07-26-2006 2:55 AM
Reply to: Message 83 by MurkyWaters
07-26-2006 1:16 AM


Re: here we go ...
Murky,
These informational debates will progress a lot better if you can tell us what type of information you are thinking of and especially if you can define it for us or give us some idea how to measure it.
Most creationists choose their own peculiar flavour of information, such as Gitt information over the much more commonly scientifically used Shannon information.
So if you tell us what measure of information you use and how we can tell if it is increased we can look for instances arising from mutation with maybe some natural selection thrown in for good measure.
Perhaps you would like to contribute to the ongoing thread The value of Gitt information
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TTFN,
WK

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Wounded King
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Message 87 of 104 (335505)
07-26-2006 3:53 PM
Reply to: Message 86 by capeo
07-26-2006 3:24 PM


Re: here we go ...
This is a patently false premise propounded by creationists over and over:
http://www.gate.net/~rwms/EvoMutations.html
I think you overstate here. Certainly there are beneficial mutations but Murky's post doesn't say that there aren't, merely that 'Nearly all' mutations are harmful or neutral.
I would say that for any given organism in any given environment the vast majority of possible mutations would be either neutral or detrimental, but that still leaves an awfully large number of possibly beneficial mutations as well. The only misleading aspect is the emphasis suggests that most will be detrimental while in fact almost all will be neutral with only a small fraction being detrimental, the detrimental fraction is still likely to outweigh the beneficial however.
TTFN,
WK

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