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If I am right I don't see a reason why to use peppered moths as an extraordinary example of natural selection in action (Much ado about nothing). Many species run away from polluted areas and no one - as far as I know - uses this trivial fact as convincing evidence for validity of natural selection.

And science, life, reality and the peppered moths are still all singularly unimpressed by your opinion and lack of understanding. That's you in a nutshell. Because emigration does not explain why the populations change and stay changed while the discoloration exists without the pollution.Nor does it explain the documented differential bird predation. You have to ignore the reality of evidence to reach your conclusions, and that is not science.Enjoy.

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Do you mean that differential predation of peppered moths which were released in the morning? They were so frozen that Kettlewel heated them up in his car because they didn't want to move. After warming up they flown away but took the first place they found. I suppose this a "real science" and nobody should doubt about validity of this experiment. It explains it very well. I suppose carbonaria are homozygous having only reccessive alleles. If melanica flew away there is obviously no need to wonder why carbonaria stayed unchanged.
Edited by MartinV, : No reason given.Edited by MartinV, : past participle

This factoid would be relevant if (1) it made the moths rest in places they normally don't (it did not) and (2) no other study had validated this result (and everyone that has attempted to replicate this basic study - with or without car radiators - has resulted in the same net observation of preferential predation).Conclusion: both the factoid and your opinion are irrelevant to the real world.Logically one would review the published literature (which here would include the facts already posted) to make sure that what one was saying wasn't already refuted, but you have never done this. Therefore I conclude you are not interested in facts and reality.For instance, if one wanted to know where the moths normally rested they could read Message 265, and if one wanted to know if the preferential predation experiment had been run and validated they could also read Message 265. Ignoring these facts does not make an argument, it just demonstrates ignorance.Enjoy.Edited by RAZD, : end

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This factoid would be relevant if (1) it made the moths rest in places they normally don't (it did not) and

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In the Ketllewel experiment with barrels moths rested on the stripes of their respective wing colors. In the Kettlewel experiment with warmed up moths they rested on the places they hit upon as first. On your opinion on which places moths rest "normally"?

I've seen you started a new thread about similarity of cats and foxes.But you still haven't answered my question where pappered moths usually rest (I mean color of background, no part of trees). Do you consider this question not worth answering?

Edited by RAZD, : not worth responding. it feeds the trollEdited by RAZD, : Nor am I worried that the threat of consequences logical fallacy will deter rational people from making decisions based on the ample evidence in this thread - regardless of whether I respond to MartinV or not.

I suppose others will make their own conclusions regarding your arguments.

Wise decision.--Percy

If you think that migration of melanica as the possible explanation of the peppered moths case is not "worth responding" I am surprised.
Either you like RAZD think it supports natural selection (e.g. same as being eliminated by birds predation) or you are convinced migration didn't occur. In either case I would like to know some arguments which you obviously do not have.That's the reason I am troll not "worth responding". My questions are annoying because you have no prepared answers to them at "talkorigin".The same for mimicry where you are unable answers why some wasps
are not having "warning coloration" and other harmless waps have
very dangerous looking warning coloration.

The peppered moth's dark genetic past revealed.

Damn, I can't believe it still isn't clear what the actual mutation is given how studied a phenomenon the melanism is, but at least the field has been radically narrowed down.TTFN,WK

You guys do realise that the peppered moth is not found on the trees Darwin said he found them on right?Which ends this arguement here and it has been proven if u can find a peppered mot in real life found there ,well you wont..

Mutation is the lead to evolutionism yet the peppered moth is white on a brown tree,wow is this guy camoflauged and really superior to other moths there(sarcasm).

"Darwin"? Really?Read less Wells and more actual research. I mean, good lord man at least do a Google image search for "peppered moths + trees" before posting such nonsense.Lurker