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cavediver
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Message 115 of 350 (263190)
11-26-2005 5:00 AM
Reply to: Message 113 by RAZD
11-24-2005 12:54 AM


Re: Dark Moths, {not "White" - just} Non-polluted trees. Anomalies.
We have a theory of gravity, even though the evidence for it is scanty at best.
Pure BS RAZD. I know you have some problems with large scale cosmology, but if evidence for GR (THE most accurately tested theory in existence) is scanty (at best??? for f'ks sake) where does that leave everything else, ESPECIALLY evolution? Comments like this destroy any credibility you have. This is Randman's fallacy in a nutshell. There are a few anomalies, and thus the entire theory is way way out... you have lost perspective.
GR doesn't make vague generalised predictions, it predicts numberical values to observations. How many observations do we need to list that agree with those predictions to 5-10 places of accuracy before you decide that evidence is no longer "scanty at best"? Some of those observations are made far across the Galaxy and even in other galaxies.
Do you see the HUGE theoretical physics community jumping up and down concerning the Pioneer anomaly signing the death warrant of GR? Or even considering it worthy of attention yet? No? Well I guess it must be that same conspiracy that involves all of the Evos desperately clinging to evolution like a sinking ship, knowing full well that the majority of the evidence points to an ID mechanism via quantum mechanics.
Obviously way off topic here, but certain comments require a response. You are doing science a big disservice and playing straight into the hands of YECism and IDism.
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cavediver
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Message 118 of 350 (263242)
11-26-2005 10:29 AM
Reply to: Message 117 by RAZD
11-26-2005 9:56 AM


Re: Dark Moths, {not "White" - just} Non-polluted trees. Anomalies.
We have a large body of observational evidence of the effect we call gravity. We have {theory\on theory\on theory} built up from empirical data formulas to theories of how gravity acts and is effected. But as for evidence for how that {action\effect} actually {works\becomes\exists}, whether via space warping, gravity waves or gravitons or some other method, we have ... what? Theory.
No, you have misunderstanding as evidenced by this paragraph. New topic on its way... soon.
Stating that science knows more than it knows does, imh(ysa)o, play into the hands of those that claim that science is dogmatic and not ammenable to change.
True, but you are talking of what you do not know. I know you say that you read Einstein, etc, but your massive ignorance is demonstrated in the quoted paragraph. I don't mean this as an insult or to be in any way derogatory. Very few have a good understanding of this. You CANNOT gain anything close to sufficient undestanding from popular science and/or the internet to make the above claims. If I showed your posts around my old group or any others there would be howls of laughter.
You are not in a position to comment on the validity of GR. Just your simple confusion of GR with cosmology is ample evidence of this. Please be careful with your comments...
With respect

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cavediver
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Message 119 of 350 (263283)
11-26-2005 11:54 AM
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11-26-2005 9:56 AM


Taking this GR stuff elsewhere
Debate to continue here if you like: Message 107
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