The Post-Noah's Flood Period is Explained by Evolution

I asked a group of younger children one day, how could Noah get dinosaurs on the ark with him. With all the many species and sizes, wouldn’t they be too large or eat too much? After thinking awhile, and coming up with some pretty funny answers, one little girl raised her hand and said, “what if he took small ones?” I thought this was brilliant. Truly out of the mouths of babes.“Small ones” or “babies” perhaps? The Brachiosaurus, one of the largest land dinosaurs, hatched from an egg the size of a football (about 18 inches or so). I imagine it was pretty small the first year of its life. Do you honestly think Noah, having to fill an entire ark with all those animals would find the biggest ones? Juvenile animals of any kind are usually less aggressive, they are smaller, they eat less, which also means they crap less, and typically they tend to sleep more.I think everyone is stuck on the storybook pictures of Noah and the ark, and have that image burned in their mind. They see the ark on a hill with a rainbow in the back, and all these full sized animals lined up, two by two boarding the ark. If you take the scripture literally, like you said, then read this:"You shall take with you seven each of every clean animal, a male and his female; two each of animals that are unclean, a male and his female” -Genesis 7:2 NKJThat is plenty of “critters” to repopulate the earth quite rapidly. Also remember, Noah and his family, had to eat. Rats and mice breed very fast. One single rat can give birth to 20 young a year, that’s 4 to six every 4 to 5 weeks. A single elephant can breed at any time during the year and can give birth between the ages of 14 and 45. They typically have a new calf every 5 years. If you run these types of numbers, 4,500 years is plenty of time to have quite a large population of everything."Of the birds after their kind, of animals after their kind, and of every creeping thing of the earth after its kind, two of every kind will come to you to keep them alive.”- Genesis 6:20 NKJDid you also consider, that elephants and mammoths are in the same “kind” category? Sort of like horses and zebras can procreate and different types of insects can crossbreed.A “kind” or “sort” as the Bible says is simply just that. I believe that all “dogs” came from a common ancestor . a DOG. That is a “kind”. Though there are many breeds, they are all still dogs. Most dogs can breed with any other dog. Also if you take the Bible literally as you say, “every creeping thing of the earth” means every creeping thing. God didn’t say of “some” creeping things.Hope I helped you think about it more.Bible Search and Study Tools - Blue Letter BibleDinosaurs on Noah's arkhttp://www2.scholastic.com/browse/article.jsp?id=4747http://www.zoomdinosaurs.com/...inosaurs/anatomy/Repro.shtmlhttp://www.cheltenham.gov.uk/...ies/templates/ourservice.asphttp://www.panda.org/faq/response.cfm?hdnQuestionId=20720...

Thanks for your response."There are many thousands of reasons the flood story doesn't work."Is this a fact or your opinion? I could say "there are many thousands of reasons why a flood story does work.""Just one, but a rather serious one--There is no scientific evidence for a global flood 4,500 years ago."A more correct assessment is that there is a raging debate between creationists and evolutionists as to whether or not a global flood actually happened. Depending upon your world-view, you will lean one way or another toward evidence proposed. There is evidence on both sides of the argument."It does no good to make up stories of how the animals could eat, or crawl, run or fly back to their proper places, nor how they all fit onto the ark, or any of the rest if you can't find evidence of a global flood at the appointed time. A flood that large should be noticeable! Where's the evidence?"Again, you can find evidence if you look. Here are some sources for BOTH sides.Scientific Evidence for a Worldwide Flood – Earth AgeThis website is frozen.Problems with a Global Flood, 2nd editionGlobal Floodhttp://www.trueorigin.org/arkdefen.asp

I apologize, I should have re-checked my text. I should have said infant animals not juveniles

Hello to you too Coragyps!I like the acronym! DbaF! I like to think for myself based on my world-view and by scientist and research that lead to a different conclusion. Irregardless, this is not a thread discussing when dinosaurs existed in relation to humans, it was merely an observation that it was possible to fit them on the ark. ...and many don’t! Man is quite capable of taking care of any animal.

As far as proof of a global flood, I only cited sources, I did no “evidence bending” but rather let other people who are far more fluent in this field, help explain the possibility of one with their evidence. The fact that you are a paid person in the field of archaeology, I have a respect for your view, however, I simply showed sources of other people who “do archaeology for a living” saying there is evidence to the contrary. There are also many arguements by scientist, on the problems of radiocarbon and potassium-argon dating. I don’t agree that dating specimen can be as accurate as some claim based on many arguments. I can come up with sources if you like, but Im kinda in a hurry today. I’ll let you have that argument with them. As for me, I will interpret evidence on both sides of the argument, the best I can. There are many interpretations of evidence, otherwise there would be no argument. I would love for you to site this source so I can read it! Please know that I have an issue with exact dates. I would never argue the time of a global flood(4500 years), only that with the evidence presented, I believe there was one. Wouldn’t mind seeing this either if you have a paper written. Send me a link if you have one. On the contrary, your worldview has everything to do with how your interpret evidence. If you are an atheist, you will see evidence supporting the absence of a God, if you are a believer in a God, you would find the same evidences, supporting your belief in a creation. Nevertheless, all these papers and research are out there. These are reputable people who are experts in their field. Ill let you review their evidence for yourself and argue it with your own.

"And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every [sort] shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep [them] alive with thee; they shall be male and female." Gen 6:9 NKJI appreciate the slight humor in taking care of lice, however if you read the scripture it says “all flesh” which would not include bacteria,virus, or insects.

So all these other scientist who present evidence of a global flood, are in your opinion...what...morons? Idiots? Scientist have plied up an immense amount of evidence that a global flood HAPPENED and those who oppose (notice that I am not singling you out here) shrug it off as a “worldview” problem.Again, Coyote, I am saying ARCHEOLOGIST and SCIENTIST have shown evidence of a GLOBAL FLOOD. Im not just making things up. Careful here Coyote, “science” follows a lot of “beliefs” as well. There are plenty of topics where there is not irrefutable proof, only assumptions.

Thanks for the welcome!
I did not intend to offend you Bluejay! I happen to love insects! When Im channel surfing, trust me, if Animal Planet or Discovery are showing anything on insects...Im there!! Please accept my apologies!I have run out of time today, but would love to dig a bit deeper on the scripture so that it is clear on whether or not insects were included in the term "all flesh". There is a reason I say that, I just cant think of it right now. I usually site my sources and have things ready, but, time is always a factor. I will post back later on when I have a bit more time and the proper references.

Do a bit of research, there are far more flood stories that just the "Jewish" or Biblical one. Over 500 others are found, the Babylonians, and Aztecs have them as well.Legends of the Flood - Apologetics PressThis goes back to worldview. I could say that scientist that are convinced that there is no God, would try to shoehorn any evidence that may point to even the slightest possibility that there was a flood, because if there was a flood, there is the possibility of a God. Again, you are arguing with many experts in this field that say the contrary. Go to the links I provided, read their evidence, refute it yourself. Well, I have to go with on this one. I’ve known a lot of these types. However, I’m not a hillbilly Christian. I read, study, take in all I can and interpret evidence to the best of my ability. I’m not a PHD, but I am a thinker.

Im so diggin' the Boba Fett!If worldview doesn’t matter, why do you need secular sources? According to Rahvin, MOST scientist believe in God. Whatever . .Anyway, here are a couple I found. I wouldn’t call it proof, but evidence.Explorer Robert Ballard who discovered the Titanic says he believes there is evidence of a global flood in his latest research expedition to the Black Sea.National Geographic - 404National Geographic has interesting evidence of what they call “massive” flooding, however do not say “global”. Interesting, nevertheless.http://news.nationalgeographic.com/...0528_sunkencities.html

If you had read my original post, you would have realized that I stated my opinions based on my research and then cited my sources. Obviously you chimed in without reading. I say again, I showed sources and made arguments In my first post. I said: “Do a bit of research, there are far more flood stories that just the "Jewish" or Biblical one. Over 500 others are found, the Babylonians, and Aztecs have them as well.”Then I sited ONE source to show some of the 500 flood stories. If you READ THE WHOLE THREAD, perhaps you wouldn’t have went on a wild rant against apologetics. "The mystery of the beginning of all things is insoluble by us, and I for one must be content to remain an agnostic “~ Charles Darwin“The cosmos is all there is or ever was or ever will be. Life is but a momentary glimpse of the wonder of this astonishing universe, and it is sad to see so many dreaming it away on spiritual fantasy.” ~ Carl Sagan"You say you have experienced God directly? Well, some people have experienced a pink elephant, but that probably doesn't impress you. "~Richard Dawkins"I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religion than it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it." ~Albert Einstein"I don't think we're here for anything, we're just products of evolution. You can say 'Gee, your life must be pretty bleak if you don't think there's a purpose' but I'm anticipating a good lunch."~ Dr. James Watson

Yes, thank you!My first post was on how dinosaurs could possibly fit into the ark and what the scriptures had said about what went on the ark. She also stated: So I found the scriptures pertaining to that statement. It was directly in conjunction with Jennifer's statement.Suddenly we were discussing what proof there was on whether or not a global flood actually happened.

According to the Bible, those animals that had the breath of life, or "nephesh" were brought into the ark.Gen 7:15 And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh, wherein [is] the breath of life. ~KJVThe word "nephesh" refers to those animals with soul: or "responsive personality." Thus you would have all mammals that lived on land, reptiles, and birds in the ark.Gen 7:22 All in whose nostrils [was] the breath of life, of all that [was] in the dry [land], died. ~KJVAmphibians, insects, worms and bacteria did not need the Ark. They do not have the nervous system which is complex enough to mark the organism as having the trainability which "nephesh" implies. According to Genesis 7:22, only the animals with the breath of life died. These other organisms were most likely preserved outside the Ark through the flood.Nephesh - Wikipediahttp://cf.blueletterbible.org/search/translationResults.cfmSo, Bluejay, the bugs survived the flood! GO BUGS! By the way, my daughter is a SCAD student and their mascot is Art the Bee!PEACE!

I can only speculate on how worms and amphibians survived. I was giving the scripture references that explain what animals were brought on board the ark, and what animals perished in the flood.

Ah, bluescat, now we get into the sticky debate of what animals have a soul....eh...lets not...LOL! Lets play the blues instead. I play guitar bass and flute. I love to jam.PEACE!