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Author Topic:   The Post-Noah's Flood Period is Explained by Evolution
Blue Jay
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Message 32 of 66 (467074)
05-19-2008 1:06 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by Dont Be a Flea
05-19-2008 12:39 PM


Re: Taking Care of Those Unclean Animals
Hi, DbaF. Welcome to EvC!
Dont be a Flea writes:
if you read the scripture it says “all flesh” which would not include bacteria,virus, or insects.
I beg your pardon: I'm an entomologist, and, not only is this a complete non sequitur of an argument, but it's downright offensive. Insects are made of "flesh" too: in fact, the average insect has more muscles in its body than you do. The only difference is that their skeleton is external (and, note, their skeleton is made of organic materials, which are more akin to flesh than your calcified, mineral bones are).
Furthermore, insects--which are animals--are much more similar to you in behavior, makeup and appearance than they are to viruses and bacteria, so lumping them together as if they belong to the same category (I assume you mean the category "pests" or "bugs") shows a complete lack of knowledge about biology.
Granted, given other things that are said about animals in the Bible, I'm willing to submit that the God of the Old Testament (or, at least, His scribes) did not know much about insects, anyway. See Leviticus 11, which features a nice description of insects as "four-legged fowls" in the KJV (insects are not birds, nor do they have four legs; NIV and NKJ correct the "fowls" to "insects," but leave in the four legs). Note that, if God makes no distinction between birds, bats and insects (KJV), or that they are discussed among other animals in the kosher laws (all versions), I don't see how you can defend the notion that insects aren't "flesh" from even a biblical perspective.
And, where do you think all the insects and viruses and bacteria went during the Flood? The Bible specifically says that all living things that were not on the Ark died (Genesis 7:23)--and I don't know how you could support any notion that insects are not living things. Therefore, if the Bible is literally true, everything that is alive today either was onboard the Ark or descended from something onboard the Ark.
Edited by Bluejay, : I said "...insects are living things" when I obviously meant the opposite.

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Blue Jay
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Message 39 of 66 (467112)
05-19-2008 4:27 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by Dont Be a Flea
05-19-2008 1:37 PM


Re: Hello Bluegenes!
Dont Be a Flea writes:
Do a bit of research, there are far more flood stories that just the "Jewish" or Biblical one.
But, none of the "scientists" take the other stories seriously, as Rrhain has been adamantly pointing out in many discussions here on EvC. Like bluegenes said, their reason for looking for a Flood is a fixation on Jewish mythology, and they do indeed try to force the square-shaped evidence into their round-shaped theory.
Dont Be a Flea writes:
This goes back to worldview. I could say that scientist that are convinced that there is no God, would try to shoehorn any evidence that may point to even the slightest possibility that there was a flood, because if there was a flood, there is the possibility of a God.
Well, it doesn't work as well this way: science always follows the data, regardless of preconceptions. Take this article about a recent study, for instance, which overturned our idea that sponges are the basalmost living animal on the planet. Science didn't cram the data into its worldview, but allowed its worldview to change to fit the evidence. The allowance of change in the scientific worldview is what makes science able to learn and grow, and is, in fact, its greatest power.
Intelligent Design does not do this, but insists upon a preconceived notion of the way things work, and refuses to let the evidence lead away from that presupposition.

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