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Author Topic:   Archaeopteryx and Dino-Bird Evolution
RickJB
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Message 78 of 200 (308757)
05-03-2006 12:02 PM
Reply to: Message 76 by Hyroglyphx
05-03-2006 11:20 AM


Re: Archaeoraptor and Archaeopteryx
nemesis_juggernaut writes:
There is not one intermediary, transitional form that has ever been presented with any semblance of validity.
This is just not true.
nemesis_juggernaut writes:
A transitional form is a link in the chain, which you have presupposed is so blatantly obvious. If all species are inter-related, then surely there should be unquestionable evidence of it.
There is, though "inter-related" is not a good way to term it.
Now, no scientist will tell you that there isn't much yet to be learned about the origins of flight, but you make the ultimate mistake of assuming a that gap in any type knowledge automatically invalidates that which IS known.
There is little doubt that the evolution of flight is one of the sketchiest areas of the ToE, but that in no way detracts from a wealth of evidence that DOES well support evolution. The ToE is far from complete, but for the last 150 years EVERY new observation in its field has supported its core hypothesis.
Sooo...
..if you disagree with the ToE, stop waving your arms around and produce an alternative hypothesis that can be falsified!

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RickJB
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Message 88 of 200 (308807)
05-03-2006 3:10 PM
Reply to: Message 79 by jar
05-03-2006 12:13 PM


Re: Archaeoraptor and Archaeopteryx
Thanks Jar!

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RickJB
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Message 90 of 200 (308810)
05-03-2006 3:30 PM
Reply to: Message 86 by Hyroglyphx
05-03-2006 1:50 PM


Re: Archaeoraptor and Archaeopteryx
nemesis_juggernaut writes:
So, we have here an avowed evolutionist who tacitly implies that he does not agree with the tenets of creationism, but simply reports the plain facts concerning Theropod lineage in modern avian. This flies in the face of everything we were taught in primary school as well as virtually every college biology textbook in the world.
No, you have here an avowed evolutionist who tacitly implies that he does not agree with the tenets of creationism, arguing that there is a problem with our assumptuions about the evolution of birds. Nothing he says is a threat to the ToE - he simply sees a lack of evidence in this area.
nemesis_juggernaut writes:
Revision? Reproof?
Reproof? No. This isn't how science operates. Science doesn't seek "proof", it seeks the accumulation of evidence to support its hypotheses.
Revision? Absolutely! Science is always open to revisions (or revolutions). The ToE has, in effect, been revised repeatedly for 150 years as we have observed and accumulated evidence. Nothing has contradicted Darwin's core assertions, but scientists have refined and revised and rethought many of the details...

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