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Author Topic:   Archaeopteryx and Dino-Bird Evolution
Belfry
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Message 39 of 200 (287124)
02-15-2006 8:18 PM


another transitional
Has anyone mentioned Microraptor yet? That's one of my favorite dino-bird transitional fossils; I often use an artist's rendering of M. gui as my avatar on other forums.
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Belfry
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Message 150 of 200 (347646)
09-08-2006 9:44 PM
Reply to: Message 149 by Someone who cares
09-08-2006 9:31 PM


Re: the great Archaeopteryx hoax
SWC writes:
There are birds with teeth...
Such as?
And I mean teeth with proper enamel, like Hesperornis and Archeopteryx?

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Belfry
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Message 154 of 200 (347655)
09-08-2006 10:04 PM
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09-08-2006 9:50 PM


Re: Archaeopteryx- most likely fraud, if not, still not transitional
Hey, did you know that it is proposed to make a whole sub class of fossil birds called Odontornithes- birds with teeth? Yep. One group is Ichthyornidae. Check out this site for more info on this example, it is an adult, and it is a bird, and it has teeth: Birds with Teeth
What you have linked to there is another example of transitional fossils. As that website says:
quote:
The fortunate discovery of these interesting fossils is an important gain to paleontology, and does much to break down the old distinctions between Birds and Reptiles, which the Archæopteryx has so materially diminished.
Do you know of any modern birds that have true teeth?
SWC writes:
We don't see any evolving "transitionals", but we see them complete, as Creationists would expect.
If you mean that there will be no non-functional "hopeful monster" transitionals, that's what evolutionary theory would predict, too. The idea that a transitional organism would be "incomplete" is a creationist strawman that is specifically NOT predicted by evolutionary theory.

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Belfry
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Message 163 of 200 (347669)
09-08-2006 10:32 PM
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09-08-2006 10:24 PM


Re: the great Archaeopteryx hoax
SWC writes:
Already replied in above posts. There are fossilized birds with teeth. Please check above posts, I do not want to repeat myself over and over.
Please check below post (edit: by which I mean Message 154), I've replied to your replies. You're running behind. It's okay to skip ahead in situations like that.
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Belfry
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Message 168 of 200 (347686)
09-08-2006 11:02 PM
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09-08-2006 10:41 PM


Re: Archaeopteryx- most likely fraud, if not, still not transitional
SWC writes:
you won't say the platypus is transitional because it has characteristics of reptiles, mammals and birds, would you?
Yes! Platypus is a transitional form, like other monotremes. Not between mammals and birds, though - rather, theraspid reptiles. Don't let the "duckbill" fool you, it is not a beak.

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