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Mammuthus Member (Idle past 6504 days) Posts: 3085 From: Munich, Germany Joined: |
J Pediatr Endocrinol Metab. 2002 Dec;15 Suppl 5:1279-88. Related Articles, Links
Imprinting disorders: non-Mendelian mechanisms affecting growth. Butler MG. Section of Medical Genetics and Molecular Medicine, Children 's Mercy Hospitals and Clinics and The University of Missouri-Kansas City School of Medicine, Kansas City, MO 64108, USA. mgbutler@cmh.edu Most autosomal genes are expressed from both maternal and paternal alleles. However, imprinted genes are an example of non-Mendelian genetics, in which only one member of the gene pair is expressed and expression is determined by the parent of origin. Imprinted genes may account for 0.1-1% of all mammalian genes. At least 50 imprinted genes have been identified in humans, and imprinted genes frequently cluster under the control of an imprinting center. Many imprinted genes contribute to growth, either as growth factors, such as insulin-like growth factors (IGF2 in Beckwith-Wiedemann syndrome), or as growth inhibitors, such as the GRB10 gene in Russell-Silver syndrome. Imprinted genes have evolved over time in mammals to fine-tune the growth of the fetus. Paternally expressed genes generally enhance growth, whereas maternally expressed genes appear to suppress growth. In addition, normal and abnormal genomic imprinting and loss of heterozygosity contribute to a wide range of malignancies. A common process for controlling gene activity is methylation, which can be changed during male or female gametogenesis. Examples of classic human disorders related to genomic imprinting are Beckwith-Wiedemann syndrome (chromosome 11), Prader-Willi/Angelman syndromes (chromosome 15), Russell-Silver syndrome (chromosome 7), and Albright hereditary osteodystrophy (chromosome 20). Several of these disorders are discussed and illustrated. If you look in the abstract, it says that methylation can be changed during gametogenesis...so like a DNA mutation, methylation mutations can occur during gametogenesis and cause phenotypic change.
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Peter Member (Idle past 1508 days) Posts: 2161 From: Cambridgeshire, UK. Joined: |
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This link (unless I am mis-understanding -- which is highlylikely) suggests to me that the 'switches' are mapped off of a different area of the genome of the cell ... that is they are cell products -- so they must get 'built' from DNA ...???? This abstract also made me think this way ... Disruption of an imprinted gene cluster by a targetedchromosomal translocation in mice Michele A. Cleary1, Catherine D. van Raamsdonk1,2, John Levorse1, Binhai Zheng3, Allan Bradley4 & Shirley M. Tilghman1 Genomic imprinting is an epigenetic process in which theactivity of a gene is determined by its parent of origin. Mechanisms governing genomic imprinting are just beginning to be understood. However, the tendency of imprinted genes to exist in chromosomal clusters suggests a sharing of regulatory elements. To better understand imprinted gene clustering, we disrupted a cluster of imprinted genes on mouse distal chromosome 7 using the Cre/loxP recombination system. In mice carrying a site-specific translocation separating Cdkn1c and Kcnq1, imprinting of the genes retained on chromosome 7, including Kcnq1, Kcnq1ot1, Ascl2, H19 and Igf2, is unaffected, demonstrating that these genes are not regulated by elements near or telomeric to Cdkn1c. In contrast, expression and imprinting of the translocated Cdkn1c, Slc22a1l and Tssc3 on chromosome 11 are affected, consistent with the hypothesis that elements regulating both expression and imprinting of these genes lie within or proximal to Kcnq1. These data support the proposal that chromosomal abnormalities, including translocations, within KCNQ1 that are associated with the human disease Beckwith-Wiedemann syndrome (BWS) may disrupt CDKN1C expression. These results underscore the importance of gene clustering for the proper regulation of imprinted genes.
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Mammuthus Member (Idle past 6504 days) Posts: 3085 From: Munich, Germany Joined: |
Certain sequences are more likely to be imprinted than others is all. so that is the association with a "switch" or a DNA sequence. However, an imprinting mutation would not be observable as a change in DNA sequence.
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Peter Member (Idle past 1508 days) Posts: 2161 From: Cambridgeshire, UK. Joined: |
OK.
.... so there are enzymes (?) in the germ cells, thatpersist in the zygote, but are not manufactured within the zygote. These are then replicated for each cell duringdivision, but some cells get different 'regulators' (somehow). Man that's complicated!!! So complicated I cannot image thatit was designed at all [This message has been edited by Peter, 07-09-2003]
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Wounded King Member Posts: 4149 From: Cincinnati, Ohio, USA Joined: |
These enzymes are not 'replicated'. In some organisms it is the case that maternal mRNAs may code for proteins expressed in the embryo up until a certain point, such as the mid blastula transition in frogs. In mammals however zygotic transcription begins as soon as first cleavage has ocurred at the 2 cell stage.
The cells do not get different patterns of methylation, 'regulators', until they are much more advanced as part of the normal process of development.
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Peter Member (Idle past 1508 days) Posts: 2161 From: Cambridgeshire, UK. Joined: |
So how are these 'enzymes' (or whatever is the approriate
term) copied into the 'new' cell after a division?
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Wounded King Member Posts: 4149 From: Cincinnati, Ohio, USA Joined: |
It is the same as with any other proteins, some will be inherited directly from the parent cell and some will be produced de novo in the new cell, provided they are receiving suitable regulatory cues for expression of the appropriate gene. A cell does not lose its entire protein complement directly before cell division, any number of cytoplasmic and membrane bound proteins may persist.
This varies from protein to protein, and off the top of my head I don't know the exact behaviour of all the methyltransferases, but I'm sure the information is out there.
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Peter Member (Idle past 1508 days) Posts: 2161 From: Cambridgeshire, UK. Joined: |
So the only way that these enzymes can be 'different'
is if they are damaged during the division. They may cause different patterns of expression, but theycan only be considered to have 'mutated' if they were damaged during the cell's 'creation' ... ???
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Wounded King Member Posts: 4149 From: Cincinnati, Ohio, USA Joined: |
No one is saying that the enzymes are different. What is different is the inherited pattern of methylation on the CpG residues or alternatively patterns of methylation/acetylation on the nucleosomal proteins.
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Peter Member (Idle past 1508 days) Posts: 2161 From: Cambridgeshire, UK. Joined: |
Oh, now I understand ... sort of. Thanks.
If the methylation state is inherited from the parent,unchanged then it cannot be considered a mutation in any sense. It's just like inheriting any other feature from a parent. If an unchanged set of whatever-ases can cause phenotypic differencesit leads me back to having a super-class of heritable variation. [But ultimately it's no different to having two brown-eyed parents having a blue eyed child -- phenotype is different but it's not becuase of a 'mutation'] If there has been no chemical change then there had been nomutation (in the sense of 'unexpected change' rather than my preference). [This message has been edited by Peter, 07-11-2003]
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Wounded King Member Posts: 4149 From: Cincinnati, Ohio, USA Joined: |
Having a superclass of 'heritable variation' is fine, the entire point we have been discussing is using 'mutation' as a term for this superclass with specific subclasses such as genetic and epigenetic. There are some really freaky types of heritable variation, such as those caused by an endocytic parasite which clearly couldn't be considered a mutation but genetic and epigenetic variation I would say could both arguably be classified as mutation and both of which are adressed as such in the scientific literature.
An epigenetic mutation responsible for natural variation in floral symmetry Pilar Cubas, Coral Vincent & Enrico Coen NATURE, VOL 401, 9 SEPTEMBER 1999, pp. 157-8 You say
if the methylation state is inherited from the parent,
perhaps I shouldn't have used the word inherited, what I mean is that the methylation status of the zygote is dependent on factors that have affected the germ cells methylation status. It is non-sensical to talk about an embryo inheriting its parents entire pattern of gene methylation as methylation patterns, unlike genes, vary hugely throughout differing tissues.unchanged then it cannot be considered a mutation in any sense. Once again the methyltransferases are not causing the phenotypic changes, the changes are due to the effect of methylation on the regulation of the genes. Obviously the methylation of cytosine is a chemical change associated with the DNA, but it is not a genetic base change. [This message has been edited by Wounded King, 07-11-2003]
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Wounded King Member Posts: 4149 From: Cincinnati, Ohio, USA Joined: |
Here is quite an interesting paper, they agree with you Peter that an epigenetic change is not a mutation, instead they call it an epimutation, and I have to say, I quite like 'epimutation' and 'epimutant'. It also might help you understand epigenetics better, something I seem to be singularly failing to do.
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Peter Member (Idle past 1508 days) Posts: 2161 From: Cambridgeshire, UK. Joined: |
Thanks for that ... it has made things a little
less murky for me It leads me to think in terms of using 'mutation' asa qualifying term that means something like 'unpredicted change'. Heritable variation then has sub-classes of genetic mutationand epigentic mutation ... and possibly others as yet undiscovered. For me, then, the ultimate source of heritable variation isthe somewhat vague notion of a 'cell copy-error'. Either a segment of DNA gets reproduced differently to the parent cell (genetic mutation) or the epigenetic markers get 'copied' differently (epigentic mutation).... which is probably no more helpful than a sack full of possums doing the tango. ....hmmm maybe Peter Borger should get let back in I'd be interestedto see what he does with this information
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Wounded King Member Posts: 4149 From: Cincinnati, Ohio, USA Joined: |
Why 'unpredicted change'? Why not just 'change'?
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Peter Member (Idle past 1508 days) Posts: 2161 From: Cambridgeshire, UK. Joined: |
Just to cover the possibility that there may be discovered
at some time in the future mechanisms within cells that cause changes in a predictable fashion. I don't think there will be, but you never know.
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