Genetic Evidence of Major Changes in Body Shapes

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Originally posted by LudvanB:
I think so to a degree and this would certainly go a long way toward explaning the crustacean turning into a fly over time...as a result of its changing environement.

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Natural selection is environment driven, the underlying mutation rate, by and large, isn't.------------------
Occam's razor is not for shaving with.

This got brought up in another string, so I'm bumping it up to the top. There was also a second string, but it only went 3 messages (I believe).Moose------------------
BS degree, geology, '83
Professor, geology, Whatsamatta U
Old Earth evolution - Yes
Godly creation - Maybe

[QUOTE]Originally posted by sld:
[B]What 24 hours after my post and no creationist response? Come on, we finally have genetic proof of a mechanism for macroevolution. Isn't that what you creationists have been demanding?------I think it is a bit premature to deem this study the definitive proof of viable macro-evolution. Wait until the scientific and other communities have had an oppurtunity to truly examine and "digest" the data you put forth. The post simply discusses a brief synopsis of a very detailed and complicated study which hasn't been fully released. Keep this study in mind and let's revisit it a little further down the line.

Bumped for chafihar's viewing pleasure - No extra charge!Moose------------------
BS degree, geology, '83
Professor, geology, Whatsamatta U
Old Earth evolution - Yes
Godly creation - Maybe

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Originally posted by KingPenguin:
i dont, thats what im saying!!! :-) i wont fully believe it as a fact until we observe it though.

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Do you not accept the existence of electrons or gravity as a fact, because we sure haven't observed either of those?

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Originally posted by KingPenguin:
doesnt that disprove human evolution then? we never need to mutate because of our brain, given to us by God. So we never mutated.

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Except that I have that beneficial mutation of having no botom wisdom teeth. And then there is the natural selection that occurred during the Black Plague which subsequently seems to have conferred resistance and even immunity to the HIV virus to a small segment to the population whose ancestors came from Plague areas.If mutations have never occurred, then we would all be clones of each other.------------------
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close our minds to the knowledge painstakingly accumulated by hundreds of thousands
of scientists over long centuries is to deliberately decide to be ignorant and narrow-
minded."-Steve Allen, from "Dumbth"

[QUOTE]Originally posted by leekim:
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Originally posted by sld:
[B]What 24 hours after my post and no creationist response? Come on, we finally have genetic proof of a mechanism for macroevolution. Isn't that what you creationists have been demanding?

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------I think it is a bit premature to deem this study the definitive proof of viable macro-evolution.[/QUOTE]

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We don't deem any study "definitive proof", actually. There's no such animal in science.

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It is, however, a rather important piece of the puzzle, and very compelling.

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Wait until the scientific and other communities have had an oppurtunity to truly examine and "digest" the data you put forth.

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I am curious about which "other" communities you are referring to, and why their analysis of the data should matter (if it isn't a scientific analysis)?

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I absolutely agree that the results need to be replicated and the scientific checks and verifications need to be done with these results, just as they are done with all other results, to see if they stand up to scrutiny.

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However, the paper would seem to be of good quality if it is getting published in Nature.

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[QUOTE]The post simply discusses a brief synopsis of a very detailed and complicated study which hasn't been fully released. Keep this study in mind and let's revisit it a little further down the line.

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Sounds good.------------------
"We will still have perfect freedom to hold contrary views of our own, but to simply
close our minds to the knowledge painstakingly accumulated by hundreds of thousands
of scientists over long centuries is to deliberately decide to be ignorant and narrow-
minded."-Steve Allen, from "Dumbth"