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crashfrog
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Message 271 of 306 (376530)
01-12-2007 1:15 PM
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01-12-2007 1:13 PM


Re: Trolls, Bigots, Pimps, and Liars
How am I doing so far?
Not well. How about addressing 18 pages of argument that civil unions aren't an acceptable solution, particularly since they don't fucking exist?

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Message 272 of 306 (376551)
01-12-2007 5:22 PM
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01-12-2007 1:15 PM


Civil union IS the soilution
How about addressing 18 pages of argument that civil unions aren't an acceptable solution, particularly since they don't fucking exist?
Well, if they don't fucking exists then how do you know they are not the fucking solution?
”Hoot Mon

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crashfrog
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Message 273 of 306 (376552)
01-12-2007 5:24 PM
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01-12-2007 5:22 PM


Re: Civil union IS the soilution
Well, if they don't fucking exists then how do you know they are not the fucking solution?
Do you see what I mean about you not taking this seriously?

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Dan Carroll
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Message 274 of 306 (376554)
01-12-2007 5:28 PM
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01-12-2007 5:22 PM


Re: Civil union IS the soilution
If you keep soilutioning yourself, you should probably calm down.
The really obvious fact about civil unions, that a separate institution is inherently unequal, has been explained you so many times that my semi-retarded dog has started rolling his eyes every time you fail to get it.
It's kind of cute, actually.

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Message 275 of 306 (376559)
01-12-2007 5:42 PM
Reply to: Message 273 by crashfrog
01-12-2007 5:24 PM


Re: Civil union IS the soilution
crashfrog responded to my question:
Well, if they don't fucking exists then how do you know they are not the fucking solution?
Do you see what I mean about you not taking this seriously?
What are you talking about? It's good question. If you can't or won't answer it then you're the one not taking this seriously.
”Hoot Mon

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Fosdick 
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Message 276 of 306 (376562)
01-12-2007 5:57 PM
Reply to: Message 274 by Dan Carroll
01-12-2007 5:28 PM


Re: Civil union IS the soilution
Dan Carroll wrote:
If you keep soilutioning yourself, you should probably calm down.
The really obvious fact about civil unions, that a separate institution is inherently unequal, has been explained you so many times that my semi-retarded dog has started rolling his eyes every time you fail to get it.
It's kind of cute, actually.
Danny Boy, if you can refer to your semi-retarded dog in these posts I ought get away with a sailboat reference once in a while.
This "really obvious fact" of yours about civil unions? WHY is a separate institution for gays inherently unequal? By what principles of equality? Is it the principle that just because you believe it to be true then it is automatically a fact. Gimme something sustantial. What's wrong with trying civi unions?
”Hoot Mon

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crashfrog
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Message 277 of 306 (376563)
01-12-2007 5:58 PM
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01-12-2007 5:42 PM


Re: Civil union IS the soilution
What are you talking about? It's good question.
Asking why a solution that relies on something that doesn't exist isn't a good solution is a good question, to you?
Not to play the question game, here, but what exactly is your problem? And when are you going to address the rebuttals of your position?

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ringo
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Message 278 of 306 (376564)
01-12-2007 5:58 PM
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01-12-2007 5:22 PM


Re: Civil union IS the soilution
Hoot Mon writes:
Well, if they don't fucking exists then how do you know they are not the fucking solution?
That's like asking, "How do you know unicorns aren't the solution to world hunger?"

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Dan Carroll
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Message 279 of 306 (376566)
01-12-2007 6:09 PM
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01-12-2007 5:57 PM


Re: Civil union IS the soilution
Danny Boy, if you can refer to your semi-retarded dog in these posts I ought get away with a sailboat reference once in a while.
Jokes are a privilege, Hoot. First grow some funny.
This "really obvious fact" of yours about civil unions? WHY is a separate institution for gays inherently unequal?
Gosh, we already went over that four days ago. But here you are, blindly repeating yourself as though nothing was said.
Neat.

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Message 280 of 306 (376567)
01-12-2007 6:17 PM
Reply to: Message 278 by ringo
01-12-2007 5:58 PM


Re: Civil union IS the soilution
Ringo wrote:
That's like asking, "How do you know unicorns aren't the solution to world hunger?"
Unicorns don't exist because they are gay, and thus they can't reproduce. Maybe straight unicorns ARE the answer to world hunger. But more to the point, I really don't see why granting gays their full civil-union rights should be offensive or ineffectual to them. If they want to call themselves "married," that's OK. But I don't see why the law needs to.
I'm remined that DC has passed several brainstones over the FACT that gays CAN get married, if they do it according to tradition. And I also take notice that heterosexual people MAY NOT marry members of the same sex. You don't hear THEM bitching about it.
”Hoot Mon

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AZPaul3
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Message 281 of 306 (376568)
01-12-2007 6:17 PM


I guess I don't understand the total issue here.
Civil Unions are real and available, at least in Vermont.
Civil Unions are available as a solution to these issues if they can be made available in other states as well.
Everyone seems to be wrapped around the "separate but equal" problem experienced in US race relations. Is this appropriate in the case of Gay Rights?
Other than the perceived "stigma" of "separate but equal" from US racial history, are there other objections to Civil Union as a solution?

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Dan Carroll
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Message 282 of 306 (376570)
01-12-2007 6:19 PM
Reply to: Message 280 by Fosdick
01-12-2007 6:17 PM


Banishment from Virginia IS the soilution
I'm remined that DC has passed several brainstones over the FACT that gays CAN get married, if they do it according to tradition. And I also take notice that heterosexual people MAY NOT marry members of the same sex. You don't hear THEM bitching about it.
If by "passed brainstones", you mean "pointed out that the US Government already shot down this bullshit line of reasoning, a very long time ago," then yes. Yes I have.
And yet you keep repeating it. Odd.
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Dan Carroll
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Message 283 of 306 (376572)
01-12-2007 6:23 PM
Reply to: Message 281 by AZPaul3
01-12-2007 6:17 PM


Other than the perceived "stigma" of "separate but equal" from US racial history, are there other objections to Civil Union as a solution?
No. Civil unions are an excellent solution, if you are willing to ignore piddling little perceived stigmas like "segregation" and "institutionalized bigotry".
Other than that, they're great. Hooray for that comfy seat in the back of the bus.

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ringo
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Message 284 of 306 (376573)
01-12-2007 6:24 PM
Reply to: Message 280 by Fosdick
01-12-2007 6:17 PM


Re: Civil union IS the soilution
Hoot Mon writes:
If they want to call themselves "married," that's OK. But I don't see why the law needs to.
And that's your answer right there: if the law doesn't "need to" recognize the same rights for gays as for everybody else, that's discrimination.
And I also take notice that heterosexual people MAY NOT marry members of the same sex. You don't hear THEM bitching about it.
On the contrary, almost everybody who is bitching about it on this thread is heterosexual. I DO want the right to marry the person of my choice, without anybody looking under his/her skirt to check his/her qualifications.

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Fosdick 
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Message 285 of 306 (376576)
01-12-2007 6:28 PM
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01-12-2007 6:09 PM


Re: Civil union IS the soilution
DC writes:
Gosh, we already went over that four days ago. But here you are, blindly repeating yourself as though nothing was said.
Gosh, first to ask me to repeat myself, then you blame me for repearting myself. I'm so confused I may need to consult Dr. Laura (who hates the gays like guinea worms!).
”Hoot Mon

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