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AdminAsgara Administrator (Idle past 2303 days) Posts: 2073 From: The Universe Joined: |
Ok, I'm stepping into Admin mode here for a second to try to get some order to this thread (and I am as guilty as anyone for contributing to the disorder).
teen15m6, no one is going to be able to satisfy you with any answers if the questions keep rolling in. You ask several different questions and when ppl answer one you think they are avoiding the others? I'm pulling moderator power and strongly suggesting that you pick ONE question at a time, give us the information that you have been given and ask for information from others. When that question has been answered to your satisfaction, or if it is found that no answerwill satisfy you, then go on to a different question. A further suggestion is that the question be in a new thread with a descriptive title and placed in the appropriate forum. If you need help with that, let me know and I can place correct the title and placement of the thread. Since you seem to be quite young, I will drop out of the give and take as participant Asgara, and watch the interchange closely as AdminAsgara. No insults will be allowed, no name calling will be allowed, and no bare assertions will be allowed. (this goes for both sides) I WILL NOT stop ppl from suggesting that others might need to further their education on various matters, as long as it is done in a constructive manner. If you need help with any of these suggestions just ask for it. AdminAsgara Queen of the Universe
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1504 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: |
NosyNed has asked you some valid questions teen. Perhaps narrowing down your queries will help focus what exactly is it you want "proven" to you. Please re-read Neds post to you it was polite, concise, well organized and I think he genuinely wants to help. Flittering around is only going to attract the... how was it creation man put it.. the sharks.
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3974 Joined: |
Your writing quality is terrible. This would be at least somewhat excusable, if you're very young, or if English is not your primary language. But my impression is, that is not the case.
I cleaned up the message that this message is a reply to:
quote: If you wish to be taken as being an intelligent individual, you need to write like an intelligent individual. The way you are writing makes you look like a babbling fool. This isn't to say that we require your writing form to be perfect. Adminnemooseus
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teen15m6 Inactive Member |
ok so do i need to create a brand new forum or can this one stay?
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Trixie Member (Idle past 3706 days) Posts: 1011 From: Edinburgh Joined: |
Much of what you are telling us seems to bear a remarkable resemblance to much of Kent Hovind's material. I suggest that you go to this site
http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2002/1011hovind.asp The site is a Creationist web site which tries to refute evolution and provide evidence for Creation. The page I've given you, brought to our attention by AbbyLever, refutes much of the evidence used by Hovind and many of the examples you've used are covered there. Incidentally, I'm an evolutionist, but I thought that directing you to a Creation site might help you to understand some of the junk that has been used to discredit evolution and is now itself discredited.
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teen15m6 Inactive Member |
thanks.
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Loudmouth Inactive Member |
If you are here to learn, you might try asking questions instead of taking an accusatory posture. You don't learn anything by retelling lies and distortions. Perhaps you should search out the evidence, methodologies, and terminology that scientists actuall use instead of the tripe you get from creationist sources. Anyway, I'll try and condense your distortion filled posts into one response.
quote: Homo sapien neaderthalis is the neaderthal and modern humans are Homo sapien sapien. We are considered different subspecies that could have been able to interbreed. However, evidence from mitochondrial DNA argues against this. If there were substantial interbreeding then mitochodrial lines should have melded as well. The FACT that neanderthals and modern humans differ in mitochondrial DNA it would seem that we were separate species, as seen in this graph. You will notice that there are greater differences between neanderthals and humans than there are between humans. The chip-human comparison is included for a reference point.
I have physical evidence that shows neanderthals as a separate species, what do you have?
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quote: This was the Nebraska man mistake. A man found one tooth in North America that appeared to be similar to that of hominids. The POPULAR press picked up on this and blew the story way out of proportion, even to the point constructing a picture of a totally made up hominid. However, evolutionary scientists were far slower pulling the trigger, and never released any opinion that claimed that the tooth was from a hominid. In fact, the only opinion that was released in peer review journals was that it WAS NOT a hominid tooth. This claim still rests with ONE over exuberant scientist, and the subsequent press releases were due to an overactive imagination among the popular press. Not one shred of human ancestory or evolution theory was based on the Nebraska man. How foolish do you feel now.
quote: Reference please. Creationists are known for lying, so I would like a reference to their methodology and results.
quote: How many lies and distortions do you have left in your grab bag? Fossils are dated by measuring the ratios of radioisotopes within igneous rocks that are below and above the fossil found. Only rarely are fossils used to date sediments, and when fossils are used to date sediments, the dates of the fossils are already known from previous radioisotope dating. Radiometric dating is a very solid and accurate methodology that is used in numerous other fields, including astronomy and geology. Creationists have yet to poke a hole in the dating methodologies.
quote: No, your cat did not change into a tiger, or vise versa. However, they do share a common ancestor. Humans also share a common ancestor with cats, and with reptiles, and with amphibians, and with fish, and with every other living thing on this earth.
quote: You are getting close, but you still don't understand our position. The "making new things" are new species that are better adapted to their environment, not worse. And yes, we do have proof. Take a trip to TalkOrigins Archive: Exploring the Creation/Evolution Controversy sometime and check it out for yourself. Saying we have no proof means ignoring 95% of the posts dealing with biology on this site. Did you take a look at those skulls I posted for you? Do you see the graph up above? I could probably post graphs and my own descriptions of separate pieces of evidence every minute till I die and still not cover it all. Your insistent claim that there is no evidence is a lie, and the sooner you realize this the better.
quote: Sorry, but you are deluding yourself. Check out Greenland Ice Cores and Age Correlations and an Old Earth for just a small taste of the volumes of data supporting an old earth. If you continue to ignore the evidence, you can no longer claim you came here to learn.
quote: No one has ever found a tree that goes through millions of years of sediment. However, they have found trees that go through several hundred years of sediment. You have been told lies.
quote: I still want a reference for this. You would think that such a damning piece of evidence would be talked about within scientific circles. The silence should tell you something.
quote: If you are unwilling to realize that you have a distorted view of science and evolution, and that you have been fed a bunch of lies by creationists who think its OK to lie for Jesus, then you will never uderstand what truth is. We do feel insulted because some of us have spent years of our lives working towards a better understanding of the natural world, and yet some people feel that none of that matters, that their views are right because a book on theology says so. You might as well be arguing for a flat earth and a sun that orbits the earth if you want to take the bible this literally. My suggestion to you is this: Review the evidence that has led to the conclusions within evolutionary theories, review what those theories state (read up on random mutation and natural selection), and then compare what you learn with what is posted on creationist sites. If being christians means that you have to swallow the lies that you have posted here, I can't think of many people that would want to call themselves christian.
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Mnenth Inactive Member |
You know, perfect spelling and correct grammar dont make you any smarter. Some people just arent good with words, but are highly intelligent in other fields. But teen, your writing IS pretty bad. and jumbled. Take a little more time when you type, and everyone else, let's slow down so he doesnt feel like he needs to type so quickly. Maybe then he'll make more sense, and wont seem like such a fool.
{Bumped up font size one unit. I thank you for this input. - Adminnemooseus} [This message has been edited by Adminnemooseus, 04-02-2004]
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AdminAsgara Administrator (Idle past 2303 days) Posts: 2073 From: The Universe Joined: |
teen,
Please go to this page and read the descriptions of the various forum. Find one that suits your question and click into it. At the top right side of that page is a "post new topic" button. When you start your new topic, put a descriptive title into the subject box.Bad example = Answer this .... Good example = Question Concerning the History of Nebraska Man When you ask your question, like I said before, present the information you have and preferably where you heard it. Ask others for their input. Thank you for listening to my suggestion...I hate when I have to make it a mandate. AdminAsgara Queen of the Universe
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NosyNed Member Posts: 8996 From: Canada Joined: |
and do u know how scientist know how old a fossile is? by the layer of dirt its found in, and they know how old the dirt is because of the fossiles found in it. You might stop suggesting that you are offering anything that we haven't already heard a bunch of times. This has been brought up before. It happens to be, at best, utterly misleading and from what you've gotten from it you can take it to be utterly wrong. If you really want to learn you have to understand that you're starting from knowing very, very little. In addition, a great deal of what you've been told is false.
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Mnenth Inactive Member |
quote: OK, lets keep this friendly. And factual, because that isnt a fact. There are probably just as many lying evolutionists as creationists. And lets define a lie. A lie is spreading false information that you KNOW to be false. Teen doesnt KNOW this stuff to be false, so it isnt a lie, only a misunderstanding.
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teen15m6 Inactive Member |
thanks again. and yes i got most of what i said from kent hovind. i will do some research. thanks all.
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NosyNed Member Posts: 8996 From: Canada Joined: |
I wrote Ark off as being unable to learn a thing days and days ago. I'm hoping teen isn't yet another one like him.
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teen15m6 Inactive Member |
well all i know about evolution ALL from kent hovind, evolution is not taught in my school books, yes i look like an absolute fool but that will change.
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Loudmouth Inactive Member |
quote: Maybe I shouldn't have worded it as strongly as I did, but I still stand by it. Such things as "the second law of thermodynamics prohibits evolution" is one such lie. It is simply not true, yet it is spread from creationist site to creationist site. I could name numerous other topics that are in DIRECT CONTRADICTION to repeatable observations. Creationists insistence of using this falsified data is lying, and there is no other way to cut it. And, by creationist, I mean those that are educated in the field and should know better. The fact that young people are drawn into repeating these lies is more a testament to the poor quality of our educational system than anything else. If you think evolutionists lie as much as creationists, could you please show something within the current evolutionary theories that is falsified by repeatable observations? I can't think of any. Just to keep things on topic, if you disagree with anything in this post feel free to open a separate thread and I promise I will respond to your opening post. The admins get a little aggravated when discussions wander too much.
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