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Author Topic:   Mankind and dinosaur side by side ? ?
Percy
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Message 28 of 100 (8489)
04-13-2002 12:42 AM
Reply to: Message 27 by techristian
04-13-2002 12:16 AM



techristian writes:
But the bigger question is HOW DID YOUR GULLS GET WINGS or how did any bird get wings in the first place? If you believe in micro-evolution then the wings would have started out as CUMBERSOME stubs and then next move to LARGER USELESS wings before any bird could take flight.
We may never uncover a complete enough fossil progression to answer this question and may forever be left with speculation, but no informed speculation proposes anything like what you describe here. Birds evolved from four limbed predecessors, and their evolution would never have required anything like a long series of generations where stubs gradually became wings. No, in some way that we may never fully know, the proto-birds acquired feathers and eventually aerodynamic characteristics on their forelimbs, as well as lighter hollow bones.

If you believe in macro-evolution then the wings would appear all of a sudden COMPLETELY FUNCTIONAL. (getting close to creation here!)
Macroevolution is the accumulation over long time periods of many small microevolutionary steps. It is not a sudden large jump in a single generation. Consider that if such were possible, the new creature would have no one to mate with except under the most unlikely of situations where two such creatures were produced not only in the same generation but in the same geographic location. Evolution proposes nothing so unlikely.
Macroevolution produced chimps and humans from a common ancestor over millions of generation. Microevolution produced the racial differences we see among people today.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 58 of 100 (8565)
04-15-2002 11:26 AM
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04-15-2002 10:37 AM



techristian writes:
Scientists already tried to make their own "missing link" when they transplanted a baboon heart into a baby.............................. and FAILED MISERABLY.
Techristian, you're getting a bit weird here. You can't create a "missing link" through organ transplants. That would have to be done through some kind of genetic modification, and even then who knows how it could be done.
The specific event you're referring to is when Doctor Leonard Bailey of Loma Linda University transplanted a baboon heart into Baby Fae in 1984. It was attempted because human donor hearts were unavailable, and the surgical alternative available at the time had an exceedingly low success rate then, about 2%. Baby Fae died after about 20 days.
This has nothing to do with the Creation/Evolution debate, but it was a historic event because it helped call attention to the problem of the shortage of human donors.
--Percy

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Message 67 of 100 (8574)
04-15-2002 1:08 PM
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04-15-2002 12:15 PM


By TalkOrigins do you mean Terry's community over at MSN? If so, don't sweat it. The guy's not rational.
But what's this about multiple bannings? Is there a side of you we haven't seen?
--Percy

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Message 96 of 100 (8758)
04-21-2002 2:32 PM


Trolls starting their own bulletin boards seems like a logical evolutionary step.
--Percy

  
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