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coffee_addict
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Message 16 of 91 (105791)
05-06-2004 12:19 AM
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11-30-2003 10:55 AM


And this has what to do with evolution?

The Laminator

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Garf
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Message 17 of 91 (105797)
05-06-2004 12:57 AM
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11-30-2003 10:55 AM


You should watch "Animal Face-off" on the Discovery Channel. Here is a link where you can match up some animals. My favorite episode has been Elephant vs. Rhino.
Unfortunately, though, they still have to do lion vs. tiger so it won't tell you the outcome, you have to watch it on TV.

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Message 18 of 91 (105804)
05-06-2004 3:00 AM
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05-06-2004 12:57 AM


animal face-off
Garf writes:
You should watch "Animal Face-off" on the Discovery Channel. Here is a link where you can match up some animals. My favorite episode has been Elephant vs. Rhino.
What an excellent website! Thanks for the link Garf. I must see this programme.
Just read this line and had to share:
"There are no two ways about it" he says. "An elephant would do whatever it wanted to a walrus.
PE

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Garf
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Message 19 of 91 (105820)
05-06-2004 4:34 AM
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05-06-2004 3:00 AM


Re: animal face-off
No problem, I love that show. They use electronics to simulate different abilities of the animal and its power. On the elephant vs. rhino episode they had huge robotic versions of the animal destroy a car. Then they put it into a computer and made a short movie out of the action.
Btw, the Lion vs. Tiger show airs this Saturday (May 8th in the U.S.) at 11:00 AM (ET). I've got my money on the Lion.
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Primordial Egg
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Message 20 of 91 (105839)
05-06-2004 6:53 AM
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05-06-2004 4:34 AM


Re: animal face-off
Ach, I guess I'll just have to wait until the powers-that-be deign to show it in the UK.
I'd agree with you with the lion, by a whisker. From matching some of the animals up together against both lion and tiger, the lion with its superior mobility appears to hold sway.
I presume the elephant won against the rhino?
PE

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extremophile
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Message 21 of 91 (105941)
05-06-2004 12:21 PM
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05-06-2004 12:19 AM


I think that almost nothing. Only that a relatively short time (I guess) of divergence between this two species, made them very different, yet that, as I've heard, it's difficult do distinguish each other only by their skeleton. Undetectable differences on the fossil record may generalize species that are already that different equally, hiding some short-period transitional forms among close related species.
The actual stage of the product of interbreeding being not totally fertile also is a good useful example. Creationists use to refuse samples of eco-species and ring-species as something that may become separated species someday due to the maintance of the possibility of fertile offspring between the subspecies. In this case, it's more clearly a speciation, but yet there's the possibility of few fertile offspring, but this doesn't makes them a single species.
Stills somewhat unuseful agains creationisms that accept speciation under the same "kind" though.

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Message 22 of 91 (105942)
05-06-2004 12:22 PM
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05-06-2004 12:19 AM


--- sorry, duplicated ---
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Garf
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Message 23 of 91 (106095)
05-06-2004 10:02 PM
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05-06-2004 6:53 AM


Re: animal face-off
I presume the elephant won against the rhino?
You presume correctly. The rhino charged the elephant but the elephant moved to the side and locked it up with its tusks. The rhino couldn't reach the elephant to do much, and so the elephant tossed the rhino aside and gored it.
I love elephants.

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Coragyps
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Message 24 of 91 (106106)
05-06-2004 10:28 PM


Ha! I'm waiting for Homo sapiens , 1820 AD model, vs. Yersinia pestis. I'll put $200 on Y.p. Any takers?
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coffee_addict
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Message 25 of 91 (106107)
05-06-2004 10:34 PM
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05-06-2004 10:02 PM


Re: animal face-off
Garf writes:
You presume correctly. The rhino charged the elephant but the elephant moved to the side and locked it up with its tusks. The rhino couldn't reach the elephant to do much, and so the elephant tossed the rhino aside and gored it.
Actually, I was watching the discovery channel a while back and they talked about rhino-elephant fights that always ended up in the death of the rhino. For a while, they kept finding rhinos that were killed but they didn't know what did it. After keeping an eye out for a long time, they finally observed a fight between an elephant and a rhino. What happened was that the elephant knocked the rhino over and stepped on it. The elephant's weight pretty much crushed the rhino's bones.

The Laminator

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Primordial Egg
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Message 26 of 91 (111156)
05-28-2004 1:39 PM
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05-06-2004 10:02 PM


Re: animal face-off
so, does anyone know who won yet?
PE

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Message 27 of 91 (111185)
05-28-2004 4:11 PM
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05-28-2004 1:39 PM


Re: so who won???
They actually did the big four Lion and Tigers and Bears, Ohmy.
and the Ohmy won.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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dinkarbhide
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Message 28 of 91 (142874)
09-17-2004 4:27 AM
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03-27-2004 3:16 AM


It depends on where they fight
Again, as someone has said earlier, it depends upon the setting. If the two were to do battle on the open grass plains of the savanna in Africa, I'd imagine the lion would deffinately have an edge. Firstly, a lion, being more agile over longer distances and open terrain would out speed the tiger. It's mane and smaller frame would also come in handy.
If we set up a fight between the two in the dense woods of Ranthambore, the tiger's stealth would give it an edge. The lion wouldn't know what hit it. An exhaustive battle would follow. Usually royal bengals are spoiling for a fight0. The tiger wins here, just by a whisker. Against an Indian lion, the tiger wins hands down. There have been carcasses of lions found with tiger teeth all over them.
The Asiatic 'king' of beasts is a far cry from its more illustrious and clever African cousin.

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contracycle
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Message 29 of 91 (142885)
09-17-2004 7:16 AM
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05-06-2004 4:34 AM


Re: animal face-off
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No problem, I love that show. They use electronics to simulate different abilities of the animal and its power. On the elephant vs. rhino episode they had huge robotic versions of the animal destroy a car. Then they put it into a computer and made a short movie out of the action.
That sounds terribly silly, IMO. The animals mental and other characteristics will also be important, not just raw musculature and skeleton.

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Robert Byers
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Message 30 of 91 (142962)
09-17-2004 4:39 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by kirsten
11-30-2003 10:55 AM


If as I understand it this is about the lion or tiger prevailing in a confrontation then what about the great matter of MORALE.
In any fight between them which animal at that moment has the greater inner strenght and conviction of its cause then the other.
For Example lets say um well how about the debates on these forums.
Surely the side with the excellent authority plus the logical mind plus the earnest desire for the truth and all round good will to the better side has a great morale or inner confidence to prevail in all or most matters to any unbiased observer. While
the other side struggles against authority well accepted and ancient plus is forced into logic desperation plus wanting to win then come to shared acceptance of truth plus under stress abusive and defensive depending on the situation will be sinking like some old 19th century "theories" of nature.
However being animals and having no relation to the essence to man perhaps morale is not a problem to these kitties.
Rob

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