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one_god Inactive Member |
At beginning "god said let there be light" or there always existed physical property of matter and energy.
light (physics/law of science)hydrogen sun other atoms molecules (chemistry) planets virus (gene, asexual reproduction) bacteria (female X gene) bacteria (same sex reproduction, female XXgene) male (defective female Y gene, sex help hasten evolution) plants higher order animals groups (low level social/communication) HUMAN (communication) family tribe (speech) country (writing) world society (telecom) computer As evolution took place, higher order things were created. I guess country is becoming like one entity with humans as being a cell of country's body. Country at war are sort of like survival of fittest. I guess world conscios is forming, UN/geneva convention etc. With distributed processing, it seems computer consciousness will be inevitable soon or later.
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KingPenguin Member (Idle past 7911 days) Posts: 286 From: Freeland, Mi USA Joined: |
this is where the line gets blurred. our brain is a series of complicated electrical impulses and chemical reactions. are these all reproducable in a computer? is it possible that a computer would be able to create a new personality of its own? from scratch? is there really a ghost in the shell.
im not talking bout the evolution part of course.------------------ "Overspecialize and you breed in weakness" -"Major" Motoko Kusanagi [This message has been edited by KingPenguin, 02-10-2002]
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mark24 Member (Idle past 5223 days) Posts: 3857 From: UK Joined: |
Is there a question here?
Mark
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KingPenguin Member (Idle past 7911 days) Posts: 286 From: Freeland, Mi USA Joined: |
what makes a human, human?
------------------"Overspecialize and you breed in weakness" -"Major" Motoko Kusanagi
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mark24 Member (Idle past 5223 days) Posts: 3857 From: UK Joined: |
quote: The inability to successfully breed with other species. ------------------Occam's razor is not for shaving with.
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The Barbarian Member (Idle past 6267 days) Posts: 31 From: Dallas, TX US Joined: |
That would mean a platypus was human. Are you sure you want to use that definition?
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toff Inactive Member |
The question is simple, as regards computer 'intelligence'. Is human thought algorithmic? If it is, it is possible that one day we may be able to create 'intelligent' computers, with personalities, etc. If it is not, then we will never be able to creation AI.
So the question is simple: is human thought algorithmic?
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mark24 Member (Idle past 5223 days) Posts: 3857 From: UK Joined: |
quote: An incomplete question gets an incomplete answer. ------------------Occam's razor is not for shaving with.
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KingPenguin Member (Idle past 7911 days) Posts: 286 From: Freeland, Mi USA Joined: |
quote: i cant figure that out, we dont use our entire brains to think out one thing and we can just do it without even looking at what were doing just by guesses. i cant think of steps to my thinking but i can think of a kind of relation. we think of one thing and usual it brings up a memory of a related experience and we dont have to wait for any of those to come up, we just know it and almost never forget it. our brain is however still chemical reactions and electrical impulses. ------------------"Overspecialize and you breed in weakness" -"Major" Motoko Kusanagi
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toff Inactive Member |
quote: That's very nice. However, it doesn't address the question: is human thought algorithmic?
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KingPenguin Member (Idle past 7911 days) Posts: 286 From: Freeland, Mi USA Joined: |
i was talking about the brain being algorithmic and i say it isnt.
------------------"Overspecialize and you breed in weakness" -"Major" Motoko Kusanagi
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toff Inactive Member |
quote: The brain is a physical organ; it is neither algorithmic nor non-algorithmic, nor can it be. The issue is human thought.
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nator Member (Idle past 2198 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: The brain is not algorithmic. Brains are not like computers.
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toff Inactive Member |
quote: The brain is a physical organ. It cannot be either algorithmic or non-algorithmic. How it WORKS is either algorithmic or non-algorithmic. If that's what you meant, then I'd love to see whatever evidence you have that our mental processes (ie, human thought) is not algorithmic. Nobody has ever been able to find any.
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joz Inactive Member |
quote: While I disagree with his line of reasoning John Searles attacks on functionalism are clearly non-trivial.... You would do well to acquaint yourself with his concept of intentionality as expressed in his "chineese room" argument.....
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