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Author Topic:   Transitional fossils not proof of evolution?
MangyTiger
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Message 65 of 223 (316151)
05-30-2006 12:29 AM
Reply to: Message 64 by Hyroglyphx
05-29-2006 11:56 PM


Re: Logical fallacies and evidence
As far as the whale sequence is concerned, I have so many objections that I'm not sure where to begin. Perhaps we can start a thread on Ambulocetus and Pakicetus.
There have been a couple of threads on Whale evolution recently (mostly driven by a now-banned member called randman). In my opinion they never really went anywhere so it might be fun if you can get another one past the admins.
See Pakicetus being presented with webbed feet, and A Whale of a Tale and Land Mammal to Whale transition: fossils.

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MangyTiger
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Message 77 of 223 (316416)
05-30-2006 9:26 PM
Reply to: Message 71 by mr_matrix
05-30-2006 6:20 PM


Re: Speculations
It is a flying mammal with fur similar to rodents and wings similar to birds.
Bats have wings similar to birds!?
It's late at night here and I'm about to turn into a pumpkin so I don't have time to do the searches to dig up the info to show you, but the plain fact is there that the structure of bird wings and bat wings are competely different from each other.
Essentially bird wings are based on bones analogous to our arm bones whereas bat wings are based on bones analagous to our fingers.

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MangyTiger
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Message 220 of 223 (341818)
08-20-2006 10:27 PM
Reply to: Message 217 by Chuteleach
08-20-2006 9:38 PM


Re: Xiphosurans
I think what Lithoid-Man is saying is that the fossil pictured on the AiG site is of the genus Mesolimulus. I'm a complete know-nothing on this but if you put Solnhofen and horseshoe into Google you will find lots of references to Mesolimulus fossils - specifically Mesolimulus walchi.
There are a few (and it is very few) references to Limulus walchi fossils from Solnhofen. It would take somebody who knows their fossils to say what the one pictured on AiG is. Actually given how few references to Limulus walchi there are I wonder if they are misidentifications.
Edit: I see from the phylogeny that Belfry posted that there is no such thing as Limulus walchi so I guess they are indeed misidentifications or mistakes and should (I guess?) be Mesolimulus walchi.
Edited by MangyTiger, : Add update about non-existence of Limulus walchi.

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