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rueh Member (Idle past 3661 days) Posts: 382 From: universal city tx Joined: |
How is that not a parable? Every resource I have lists this among one of his parables.
John the Babtist is also mentioned through parables in both Luke and Matthew. Abraham,Isaac and Jacob in Luke Edited by rueh, : No reason given.
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.5 |
rueh writes: How is that not a parable? Every resource I have lists this among one of his parables.John the Babtist is also mentioned through parables in both Luke and Matthew. Abraham,Isaac and Jacob in Luke Are you saying none of these people existed? Sounds like the entire bible is a parable to you. God Bless, "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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rueh Member (Idle past 3661 days) Posts: 382 From: universal city tx Joined: |
No just correcting you.
ICANT writes:
No where does Jesus use a man's name in a parable.
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Hyroglyphx Inactive Member |
"But as for you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, Too little to be among the clans of Judah, From you One will go forth for Me to be ruler in Israel. His goings forth are from long ago, From the days of eternity." There has never been thousands of towns in Judah. No, not thousands, but there were clans of Judah chronicled in the Bible, which are further delineations of the 12 tribes of Israel. “Tu ne cede malis sed contra audentior ito"
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Hyroglyphx Inactive Member |
The sperm whale has a body that could accommodate a person for 3 days without doing damage to him. First of all, where in the book of Jonah, or anywhere in the Bible for that matter, does it describe a Sperm whale? All it said was a large fish. Besides, when Jonah was around, there could have been extremely large fish that have not yet been extinct at that time that the writer was referencing. Secondly, I highly doubt that a sperm whale could accommodate one person, let alone three, without doing damage to either of them. Where are they going to receive air? How are the gastric juices not going to kill them even supposing they could get air? There is a tale of a whaler being swallowed by a sperm whale. He was reputed to have survived the ordeal, but he also was not found 3 days later. Rather, he was discovered within a short period of time. And when he was cut out of the stomach he was unconscious and his skin was bleached from gastric acid. But more importantly no one knows for sure whether or not the story is true. It could be urban legend, and it could be true. As it relates to the Bible, does it matter either way? You either believe it to be literally true, understand the symbolism, or don't believe either of the two. “Tu ne cede malis sed contra audentior ito"
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Brian Member (Idle past 4960 days) Posts: 4659 From: Scotland Joined: |
So you agree that Micah 5:2 is about a clan and NOT the town of Bethlehem?
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Hyroglyphx Inactive Member |
So you agree that Micah 5:2 is about a clan and NOT the town of Bethlehem? I think that it is both prophetic and speaking of a clan coming out of Bethlehem. I think it is saying, out of this clan will come mashiac. “Tu ne cede malis sed contra audentior ito"
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Brian Member (Idle past 4960 days) Posts: 4659 From: Scotland Joined: |
It is definitely prophetic.
If the Messiah was to come from the clan then it doesn't follow that He needs to be born in Bethlehem. It certainly would explain why the big man was called Jesus of Nazareth.
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Brian Member (Idle past 4960 days) Posts: 4659 From: Scotland Joined: |
Another point on the character of the author of Matthew is why did he misquote Micah 5:2?
We have Micah 5:2 which says: "But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah,though you are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from of old, from ancient times. And we have Matthew 2:6 'But you, Bethlehem, in the land of Judah, are by no means least among the rulers of Judah; for out of you will come a ruler who will be the shepherd of my people Israel. I wonder why the author of Matthew decides to leave out 'Ephrathah' when quoting Micah. Was it because Jesus' genealogies were already in circulation and Bethelehem was not one of Jesus' ancestors?
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.5 |
rueh writes: No just correcting you. If you want to correct me then you need to start a thread where we can go into detail discussion of what you think are parables, and what I think are parables. God Bless, "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.5 |
Nemesis Juggernaut writes: As it relates to the Bible, does it matter either way? You either believe it to be literally true, understand the symbolism, or don't believe either of the two. NJ to me it makes no difference at all. I believe Jesus. I was just presenting a possibility. A 67' sperm whale has an area in hishead about 7' x 7' x 14' where air is stored along with an oil that can be like a wax. These things help when he dives to 1.9 miles deep with the total dive lasting about 2 hours. Since Jonah's fish was especially prepared for him there would be no problem in his fish supporting him for 3 days. In fact his fish could have looked like the 3 man sub I went down over a 1,000' in. Jonah's fish could have been an angel sent to take care of him. God Bless, "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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jaywill Member (Idle past 1941 days) Posts: 4519 From: VA USA Joined: |
Jonah's fish could have been an angel sent to take care of him. You know I never thought of that but it is a possibility. In Daniel God had a huge hand write on a wall. And do we know if Jonah was actually alive all that time while he was in the fish for three days? Aren't there some opinions that Jonah died and was brought back to life?
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rueh Member (Idle past 3661 days) Posts: 382 From: universal city tx Joined: |
So let me make sure I understand exactly where you are coming from. You can use any type of imagination/fantasy that your mind can conceive in order to shape the world around you to line up with the bible. Regardless of realized physical aspects of the world.
ex: ICANT writes: fish could have looked like the 3 man subICANT writes: fish could have been an angelICANT writes:
But reexaming scripture to try and put it in perspective and world view of a culture three thousand years old, is right out? The sperm whale has a body that could accommodate a person for 3 days without doing damage to him.It seems like you are much more eager to argue semantics and your preferred and acceptable scriptures in order to shift the conversation.Ex: ICANT writes: Than you are to be able to talk about ideas, that everything in the bible may not be taken as literal truth. If you would like to believe that everything in the bible is 100% accurate, great your mind is made up. If you want to try and convey ideas to others why you believe this to be true. Circular reasoning, semantics and fantasy may not be the route you need to take. BTW that is not a parable. Edited by rueh, : spelling Edited by rueh, : No reason given.
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.5 |
rueh writes: If you would like to believe that everything in the bible is 100% accurate, But there are too many copyist errors for it to be 100% pure.
ICANT writes: fish could have looked like the 3 man sub I can't help it if they built the sub to look like a fish. It was a tourist attraction
ICANT writes: fish could have been an angel Angels have appeared as men why couldn't one appear as a fish?
ICANT writes: The sperm whale has a body that could accommodate a person for 3 days without doing damage to him. Sperm whale has several storage places in its head total space for a 67', 7' x 7' x 14'. I mentioned these as possibilities. I believe God provided a special fish just for Jonah. That is what the Bible says. God Bless, "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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rueh Member (Idle past 3661 days) Posts: 382 From: universal city tx Joined: |
So to reiterate my question. You can use any type of imagination/fantasy that your mind can conceive in order to shape the world around you to line up with the bible. Regardless of realized physical aspects of the world. But reexaming scripture to try and put it in perspective and world view of a culture three thousand years old, is right out? Is that correct?
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