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Taz Member (Idle past 3320 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
ICANT writes:
I'm going to assume you're being sarcastic. I am truly glad you are such a Bible Scholar. ABE Especially since you don't believe in it.
I've read that whole chapter over and over and I still can't see how you could possibly interpret that as not allowing women to speak in a foreign language in church. I even explained in detail why I don't think there's anyway you could possibly interpret that bit as forbidding women to speak in a foreign language in church. Aren't you just trying to rationalize this like so many christians do? PS - I'll see you in heaven... from hell.
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Hi Taz,
Taz writes: I've read that whole chapter over and over and I still can't see how you could possibly interpret that as not allowing women to speak in a foreign language in church. I even explained in detail why I don't think there's anyway you could possibly interpret that bit as forbidding women to speak in a foreign language in church. The entire chapter is concerning speaking in other tongues andprophesying. So why would Paul change in just one verse. There are other passages that talk about women praying in church, teaching in church. They can't do either of those if they can't speak about anything. I would comment on the Ps but Percy would probably scream. God Bless,
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Taz Member (Idle past 3320 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
ICANT writes: The entire chapter is concerning speaking in other tongues andprophesying. So why would Paul change in just one verse. Read the whole chapter again. Be honest with yourself. Does that single paragraph fit in with the rest? Again, Paul somewhat wandered off topic to remind people of a separate issue that was related to the main topic. Ask yourself this question. When you talk about something, do you always 100% absolutely always 100% absolutely must stick true to the topic from top to bottom? Noone talks like that in real life. Not even in literature. There are bits that we all put into our words that are seperate issues from what we are talking about. Everything we say reminds us of something else, and sometimes we say it out loud. Read the whole chapter again. I even went through the trouble of outlining for you a few posts ago how the rest of the chapter fit in with speaking in tongues and prophesying except for that single paragraph. Are you honestly telling me that after reading the whole chapter you don't find that paragraph stick out one single bit? Here is another test to see if I'm right or you're right. Next time when you go to one of your preaching sessions, without hinting your stance, ask everyone to read that chapter and ask them if they thought Paul was talking about not allowing women to speak ina foreign language in church or not. No matter how many times I read it, and I've asked other people to read this chapter over and over, we all still agree that that paragraph did not appear to be talking about not allowing women to speak in a foreign language in church. I don't know why you are insisting that Paul was forbidding women to speak in a foreign language in church. For the lazy readers who don't want to go back a page to read the chapter, here it is again. Be honest to yourself for once. Ask yourself if that paragraph looks like it was talking about women speaking in a foreign language or not.
quote:So, when Paul was referring to speaking in tongues, he was talking about people speaking in jibberish like so many do nowadays in churches while in trance-like state. He's clearly not talking about speaking in a foreign language. quote:Here is another clue to this. Again, clearly, he's not talking about people speaking in a foreign language like you made it out to be. quote: Added by edit. Also ask yourself this question. The rest of the chapter, Paul was very specific when he talked about tongues and prophesy. He even used those words everytime he refered to them. But all the sudden, he was too lazy to say "it is disgraceful for women to speak in tongues or prophesy in church"? Look at the underlined portions in that paragraph. It is clear to me that he wasn't talking about not allowing women to speak in a foreign language in church. Edited by Taz, : No reason given. Edited by Taz, : No reason given. Edited by Taz, : No reason given.
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Hi Taz,
Taz writes: So, when Paul was referring to speaking in tongues, he was talking about people speaking in jibberish like so many do nowadays in churches while in trance-like state. He's clearly not talking about speaking in a foreign language. Taz no place in the chapter in the orginal Greek is the word unknown used when talking about speaking in tongues.
In fact the only time unknown is used in the New Testament is in: {qsAc 17:23 For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you. Paul knew what word to use to say unknown. If Paul wrote the verses 34 and 35 he was talking about speaking in other languages and prophesying. But there is the possibility it was added by someone other than Paul. God Bless, "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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Taz Member (Idle past 3320 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Unknown? Who said anything about the word unknown? Here is that sentence again
quote:Did you get that, ICANT? When Paul referred to speaking in tongue, he was talking about people speaking directly to god. How on Earth can you interpret that as speaking in a foreign language? Paul was clearly talking about people speaking in jibberish when they are in a trance-like state. Again, don't take my word for it. Ask anyone here or anyone at all at your congregation. They'll tell you the same thing.
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Hi Taz,
Have it your way. God Bless, "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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Taz Member (Idle past 3320 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
*Sigh*
I'm not trying to be dense and I'm not trying to be hardheaded. I'm simply pointing out obvious flaws in your interpretation. I honestly don't see how on Earth you could interpret "speaking in tongue" as speaking in a foreign language, especially when Paul specifically said those who speak in tongue are speaking directly to god. Are you saying that Mexicans who speak Spanish in an American church are speaking directly to god?
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Taz writes: I'm not trying to be dense and I'm not trying to be hardheaded. I'm simply pointing out obvious flaws in your interpretation. I honestly don't see how on Earth you could interpret "speaking in tongue" as speaking in a foreign language, especially when Paul specifically said those who speak in tongue are speaking directly to god. Are you saying that Mexicans who speak Spanish in an American church are speaking directly to god? Hi Taz. To go into the reasons why would be off topic to this thread but for the record I and a large segment of evangelicals agree with you that speaking in tongues is not necessarily the gift of an operative existing foreign tongue. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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Taz Member (Idle past 3320 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Even you would agree with me on this one. I just don't know how ICANT could interpret that bit as forbidding women to speak in a foreign language in church. It doesn't make any sense to me. Paul specifically said that to "speak in tongue" is to speak directly to god. How did ICANT interpret that to mean to "speak in tongue" is to speak in a foreign language like greek or french or whatever?
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nator Member (Idle past 2198 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
A reply to my message 21 in this thread would be appreciated.
I provided what you asked for, after all.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
nator writes: Buzsaw writes:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- the science of the brain as I understand is that men are more left frontal lobe and women more right frontal lobe. Your understanding is wrong. In fact, your statement is 100% false. I'm still researching the human brain and how it functions. Perhaps the following University of Ca at Irvine UCI STUDY supports my point that functional differences in male/female brain properties render the male brain as being more suitable for the leadership role in human society. This study as well as my comments in no way suggest that the male brain is more intelligent than the female brain. It does however confirm my point that there is a different functional intelligence role relative to the sexes. Imo, this is all supportive to the Biblical statements in both the Old Testaments and the New Testaments of the Bible that the male brain is better suited to leadership in social aspects of human culture.
Intelligence in men and women is a gray and white matter Men and women use different brain areas to achieve similar IQ results, UCI study finds Irvine, Calif. , January 20, 2005While there are essentially no disparities in general intelligence between the sexes, a UC Irvine study has found significant differences in brain areas where males and females manifest their intelligence. The study shows women having more white matter and men more gray matter related to intellectual skill, revealing that no single neuroanatomical structure determines general intelligence and that different types of brain designs are capable of producing equivalent intellectual performance. “These findings suggest that human evolution has created two different types of brains designed for equally intelligent behavior,” said Richard Haier, professor of psychology in the Department of Pediatrics and longtime human intelligence researcher, who led the study with colleagues at UCI and the University of New Mexico. “In addition, by pinpointing these gender-based intelligence areas, the study has the potential to aid research on dementia and other cognitive-impairment diseases in the brain.” Study results appear on the online version of NeuroImage. In general, men have approximately 6.5 times the amount of gray matter related to general intelligence than women, and women have nearly 10 times the amount of white matter related to intelligence than men. Gray matter represents information processing centers in the brain, and white matter represents the networking of - or connections between - these processing centers. This, according to Rex Jung, a UNM neuropsychologist and co-author of the study, may help to explain why men tend to excel in tasks requiring more local processing (like mathematics), while women tend to excel at integrating and assimilating information from distributed gray-matter regions in the brain, such as required for language facility. These two very different neurological pathways and activity centers, however, result in equivalent overall performance on broad measures of cognitive ability, such as those found on intelligence tests. The study also identified regional differences with intelligence. For example, 84 percent of gray-matter regions and 86 percent of white-matter regions involved with intellectual performance in women were found in the brain’s frontal lobes, compared to 45 percent and zero percent for males, respectively. The gray matter driving male intellectual performance is distributed throughout more of the brain. According to the researchers, this more centralized intelligence processing in women is consistent with clinical findings that frontal brain injuries can be more detrimental to cognitive performance in women than men. Studies such as these, Haier and Jung add, someday may help lead to earlier diagnoses of brain disorders in males and females, as well as more effective and precise treatment protocols to address damage to particular regions in the brain. For this study, UCI and UNM combined their respective neuroimaging technology and subject pools to study brain morphology with magnetic resonance imaging. MRI scanning and cognitive testing involved subjects at UCI and UNM. Using a technique called voxel-based morphometry, Haier and his UCI colleagues converted these MRI pictures into structural brain “maps” that correlated brain tissue volume with IQ. Dr. Michael T. Alkire and Kevin Head of UCI and Ronald A. Yeo of UNM participated in the study, which was supported in part by the National Institute of Child Health and Human Development. (Embolding mine for emphasis) BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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Modulous Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined: |
Interesting. I guess that since women have a brain more suited to language processing the Bible would naturally prefer them as prophets. I know I'd rather have a leader who is an excellent communicator rather than a brilliant mathematician.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Hi Mod. I appreciate your excellent contribution and the manner in which you debate your ideology.
Modulous writes: Interesting. I guess that since women have a brain more suited to language processing the Bible would naturally prefer them as prophets. I know I'd rather have a leader who is an excellent communicator rather than a brilliant mathematician. As a matter of fact women played a significant role exercising the gift of prophecy in the Bible. The only implied New Testament restriction relative to this gift is that they weren't to voice the prophecies in the assembly. Likely they prophesied outside of the assembly including the homes and market places etc. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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johnfolton  Suspended Member (Idle past 5620 days) Posts: 2024 Joined: |
I see it more that its shameful for the woman to wear the pants kind of the problem with Hiliary Clinton.
Likely there are some cocky liberal women that will read this so just remember this link is from a woman not a man but a woman talking to women. Forbidden I found it interesting that Hiliary is running for president and her obsession with elenore roosevelt in respect to divination, womans rights, etc... Her book on it takes a village sounds like delegating the womans purpose to the village, now thats shameful, wonder if some of her inspiration for her book came from the devil she was divinating with, and if its somehow all related to the mystery babylon, going all the way back to the Chaldeans, Ninevah, etc... Interestingly it appears the destruction of the mystery babylon might well go all the way back to Nienevah kjv nahum 3:4-19 and revelation 17:5. Some believe the mystery babylon is not a mystery the statue of liberty is an exact literal picture of revelation 17:4. It seems it goes all the way back to Ninevah heres a link that gives a bit of insite to the problem. 17:16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire. 17 For YHWH hath put in their hearts to fulfil His will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of YHWH shall be fulfilled. The idol Ishtar (represented by the Statue of Liberty) was known, in ancient Babylon, as the goddess of personal freedom and the goddess of immigrants. This very freedom has brought to these shores every false religion known to man. Even if one were to have the wisdom of Solomon, they would still be vulnerable to the snares of false religions. Solomon committed fornication with the whore of Revelation 17... Mystery Babylon Edited by johnfolton, : No reason given.
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nator Member (Idle past 2198 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
From your quote:
The study shows women having more white matter and men more gray matter related to intellectual skill, revealing that no single neuroanatomical structure determines general intelligence and that different types of brain designs are capable of producing equivalent intellectual performance. This means, essentially, that this study found that just because male and female brains have some general differences in structure, those differences are irrelevant to what male and female brains are capable of. So, your claim that "the science of the brain as I understand is that men are more left frontal lobe and women more right frontal lobe." is not just unsupported, but your own source debunks it. So, are you going to do the honest, honerable thing and retract your claim? Edited by nator, : No reason given.
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