Meaning of "Us" in Genesis.

Now we should link two important concepts together.1.) Man being placed before the tree of life.2.) The Divine "We" coming to make an abode within the believers in the Son of God.First, the created man was placed before the tree of life. This life must be God Himself. Our strong indication of this is the Apostle Paul's word that fallen man was "alienated from the life of God" (Eph. 4:18).When did this alienation from the life of God begin? It began from the time God expelled Adam and Eve from the garden and placed a cherubim of glory with a flaming sword which turned in every direction to guard the way to the tree of life (Genesis 3:24).Man left the garden possessing the created human life. But he was alienated from God's life which was available to him in the tree of life. There was no need for the shedding of the redemptive blood of atonement for man in his state of innocency. Perhaps for that reason God used a tree as the trigger to dispense His life into man. A tree has no blood.On this side of the fall of man, man is a guilty sinner who can only be redeemed by the blood of a propitiatory sacrifice. That sacrifice was provided by God Himself incarnate as Jesus the Son of God. He had blood to shed for the redemption needed to bring man back to the life of God:" ... the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin." (1 John 1:7b)"And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but for [those of] the whole world." (1 John 2:2)Christ was not only the source of the cleaning blood of eternal redemtion. He also was the God-man within Whom was the life of God."In Him was life, and the life was the light of men." (John 1:4)Who is the One in Whom was life - the ZOE divine life of God? It was the Logos; the Word. And this Word was with God and is God from eternity past:"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him not one thing came into being which has come into being. In Him was life ..." (John 1:1,4a)Now God has processed Himself into a human man with flesh and blood and also with the divine and uncreated life of God - a God-man.
He is the real tabernacle of God among men within whom the eternal God dwells:"And the Word became flesh and tabernacled among us (and we beheld His glory, glory as of the only Begotten from the Father), full of grace and reality." (John 1:14) This God-man before His death and resurrection promised that He and the Father who indwells Him would come to make an abode with the believers. The Divine "We" of John is the processed and prepared divine "Us" of Genesis dispensing life into man:"Judas, not Iscariot, said to Him, Lord, and what has happened that You are about to manifest Yourself to us and not to the world. Jesus answered and said to him, If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word, and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make an abode with him." (John 14:22,23)Here the Divine "We" comes to make an abode with the one who loves Christ and keeps the word of Christ. The Triune God dispenses Himself into these people to abide in them and have them abide in Him.The act of creation is first. The act of dispensing the life of God into man is second. The first is for the second. The creation is for the dispensing of the Divine "Us" into man for the mingling of God and man.Once the blood of the Redeemer is shed for us and the divine life of the Son of God is dispsensed into us we are no longer "alienated from the life of God" (Eph. 4:18)To receive Christ into our innermost spirit is to receive the Triune God as eternal life. To have the Son is to have life."Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him and he in God." (1 John 4:15)

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"And this is the testimony, that God gave to us eternal life and this life is in His Son. He who has the Son has the life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have the life." (1 John 5:11,12)

Anyone mentioning the Pope's 66 mythical books has a very limited education.A) Robert Milligan wrote, in 1866, "Reason and Revelation" of the Jews' 24 books of the Old Testament.B) Another man wrote, I forgot his name, for Oxford Press of the Jews' 24 books.C)JESUS HAD john THE APOSTLE JOHN write about the 24 ELDERS who wrote the 24 Jewish books.D) Esther is not part of the Word of God.E) Song of Solomon is not part of the Word of God.F) The writer for Oxford Press mentioned that, "many writers, both Jews and Genties, do not believe these two books are the Word of God."G) The reasons they are not the word of God are: (1) neither book recorded any of the names of God; (2) Esther is a crazy story of Jews in captivity killing the sons of the kingdom; (3) Song of Solomon is gross pornography.Conclusion: there are no 66 books; 24 Books does not equal 39 Books, no matter what the Pope may teach.sl33w

I am going to try to tie some of this last post into the subject of the Discussion.The poster writes: The reference to 24 elders in the book of Revelation. Here is one passage which refers to them: Chapters 4 and 5 of Revelation as focused on God as the Creator. The twenty four elders are the elders of God's creation. They symbolically represent the most ancient beings that God created. They are the first of His created angelic beings. They are not elders of Israel. Nor are they elders of the Christian church.One of the elders speaks to the Apostle John. So this proves that John, one of the original twelve disciples of Jesus, is not among them. Surely, if these 24 elders were elders of the Christian church the disciple John should be among them. He is not.These are the eldest of the angels as creation's elders and witnesses to the whole eternal plan of God. Now let's pay attention to one of the things that the twenty-four elders say: 1.) The elders possess crowns before Christ returns to reign upon the earth. So they are deputy authorities assigned to administor the government of God from the earliest ages of the universe.2.) The praises of the elders is almmost the same as that of the four living creatures. Whereas the four living creatures say "glory and honor and thanks" (v.9) the twenty-four elders say "glory and honor and power" (v.11).The first two items of the pair of praises are the same - "glory and honor". The last item is different. The creatures say "thanks". The elders say "power"The four living creatures represent those of creation redeemed by the blood of Christ so they are thankful for God's salvation. But the twenty-four elders do not need redemption being sinless ancient elders among the angels. They are praising God for His "power" by which they can reign as deputy authorities over God's creation.The ancient elders of creation are praising God for His power by which they also reign. However latter when the Lamb, the incarnated Redeemer Jesus is upon the throne of God and of the Lamb, they worship the divine "Us" in chapter five. A new dispensation is started in which the universes is reigned over not primarily by the angels but by the incarnate God-Man Jesus of Nazareth the Son of God.And the God-Man" ... for You have created all things, and because of Your will they were, and were created." (v.11)[/b]All things were created and exist because of God's will. His will therefore preceeded the creation of all things. We are not in existence by accident. And the universe does not exist by accident. Creation and life exist because of God's will, God's plan, and God's eternal purpose.I briefly spoke of the purpose of the Divine "Us" is to dispense God into man. The eternal plan of God before creation was and is to impart the life of God into man so that man and God are united and mingled together in an organic union and incorporation.This incorporation produces sons of God like the Son of God Jesus Christ. Here is another passage which demonstrates that this eternal plan of God preceeded the creation of the universe for its fulfillment: God had a good pleasure. He had it before the foundation of the world, ie. before the creation of the universe. That will was to make the destiny of some of His creatures to be sons of God - "sonship".The sphere and realm within which this will is carried out is "in Him". This means that Christ the Son of God is the realm within which God fulfills His eternal purpose. Outside of Christ we are not in the eternal purpose of God. And that purpose is the meaning of the universe. He created the creation based upon this predestinating plan to have sons of God.To cut this post here, the twenty-four elders represent the eldest of creatures created by God. They are older than man. They are witnesses to the plan of God and riegn temporarily before the sons of God with Christ the Head Son of God take up thier crowns to be the first deputy authorities in the divine government over His creation.In future post I will show how this picture in Revelation 4 and 5 reveals the divine dispensing, into His people, of the Divine "Us" Who is the Triune God of Genesis 1:26,27. Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

Hello, nice to read your reply.I pray that we can study together, with neither imagining that he has the supremacy.Before I address your comments, I have another post:24 Books of Old Testament1) Reason and Revelation, 1868, Robert Milligan, page 157:"The reader will observe that Josephus here reckons but 22 inspired books. ... The reason for this enumeration is because there are but 22 letters in the Hebrew alphabet."According to this classification, Judges and Ruth make but one book; the 2 books of Samuel, 2 of Kings, and 2 of Chronicles, made but three in all; Ezra and Nehemiah are one, Jeremiah and Lamentations are one, and the 12 Minor Prophets, are but one.Some of the Jewish doctors, however, as in the Talmud, and the Massorah, separate Judges and Ruth, and Jeremiah and Lamentations, and thus make in all 24 sacred books."2) Canon of Scripture, 1988, F.F.Bruce, page 19."For the Jews 'the book' is the Hebrew Bible, comprising the Law, the Prophets and the Writings.
Compare: "And He said to them, 'These the words which I spoke to you ... for it is necessary to be fulfilled all the [things] having been written in the Law of Moses and Prophets and Songs (Psalms) concerning Me" (Lk 24.44)."The books of the Hebrew Bible are traditionally 24 in number, arranged in three divisions. The first division is the Torah ('law' or 'direction'), comprising 5 books of Moses (Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy). The second division is (Hebrew script writing)prophets: it is further subdivided into the four Former Prophets (Joshua, Judges, Samuel, Kings) and the four Latter Prophets (Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, and the Book of the 12 Prophets). The third division is called (Hebrew) 'writings': it comprises 11 books. First come the Psalms, Proverbs and Job; then a group of 5 called (Hebrew) scrolls (Song of Songs. Ruth, Lamentations, Ecclesiastes, Esther); finally, Daniel, Ezra-Nehemiah (reckoned as one book), Chronicles. This is the arrangement regularly followed in printed editions of the Hebrew Bible"; page 29.3) 24 Elders (Rev 4.4), Named by Sid Williams, 1997, Exhaustive Commentary on Revelation:1) Job (2400-2100) 9) Hosea (807-727) 17) Daniel (599-520)
2) Moses (1635-1594) 10) Isaiah (758-698) 18) Ezekiel (594-574)
3) Joshua (1594-1560) 11) Micah (755-698) 19) Obadiah (587)
4) Samuel (1110-1070) 12) Zephaniah (640-610) 20) Haggai (519)
5) David (1050-1010) 13) Joel (713) 21) Zechariah (519-517)
6) Solomon (1009-970) 14) Nahum (612) 22) Ezra (480-479)
7) Jonah (822) 15) Habakkuk (606) 23) Nehemiah (455-443)
8) Amos (807-782) 16) Jeremiah (611-569) 24) Malachi (440)Here is my consideration of your remarks:1) Quote: "Rev 4 & 5 = God as creator."
This is absolutely true! But God created New Jerusalem in these 2 chapters. This was in "10 Days" (Rev 2.10; AD 67-77).
New Jerusalem was both in Third Heaven (Rev 4 & 5) and on earth (Rev 21 & 22).2) Quote: "Elders = angels."
The Pope's boys invented the word "angel" which has confused many a man. The proper translation is, "messenger." Rev 5.2 was a heavenly messenger. Rev 5.10, the messengers were called "saints" in Jude (vs 14). Men of earth had passed the judgment and stood on the Sea of Glass before the throne of the God.
NOTE: This is the second greatest story in the Bible, but the Pope teaches that you are not allowed to believe it. returned to earth."
They were the inspired writers of the Old Testament, and ruled the earth (hence the crowns).
This is similar to Anointed telling the apostles they would sit on 12 thrones; ruling the earth.6) Quote: "Four Living Creatures were converted by Jesus' blood."
Ezekiel had named these Four Living Creature to be:
Man (Love), Lion (Faith), Ox (Bread = Knowledge), Eagle = Urgency (One Dipping).7)Quote: "Lamb on throne, Rev 5."
"and He came and took the book out of the right hand of Him who Sat on the throne" (Rev 5.7).8) Quote: "The eternal plan of God before creation was, and is to impart the life [Spirit] of God into man ..."
AND -- here you have described "the 7 Spirits of God" (in our midst).
NOTE: When this happen to me, and it occurs frequently, then "I am supernatural."
Here are a few things that God has led me to by His 7 Spirits.
A) First the lists of the 7 Spirits. I am a historian of Bible commentaries, and not a one read by me believed in the 7 Spirits. In fact, some were obnoxious in denying that there ever were 7 Spirits.
B) God's A, B, Cs. Sun, Moon, Stars. But the churches no nothing of that.
C) #666.
D) 7 Mountains (Rev 17).
E) Millennium.
F) Armageddon = First World War. And, the Great City (Istanbul) was divided into three parts: Beast (Greece), False Prophet (Muhammad), Dragon (Egypt under protectorate of Britain).
Matthew Poole knew this in 1680.
Albert Barnes knew ths in 1851.
B. W. Johnson knew this in 1881.
G) I can count to three! You have the Mark of the Beast in your Forehead (Mind), which is: 3 = 2.9) Quote: "Outside of Christ [Anointed] we are not in the eternal purpose of God."
Jesus taught, "Outside of New Jerusalem are: "dogs, and sorcerers, and sexually immoral, and murderers, and idolaters, and all the [one] loving and doing a lie" (Rev 22.15).10) Besides that, whoever believes the, "Three Blasphemies of the Beast" is going to Hell.
Jesus is a Teacher of dogmatism!
No gray areas! All is black or white.
A) blaspheme name of the God;
B) the Tabernacle of Him (New Jerusalem)
C) the Dwellers in heaven (AD 77).sl33w

The Spirit of God in our minds.Pure ectasy! My soul soars to a higher realm.SEVEN SPIRITS OF GOD: CHARTSeven Lamps Library. Sid Williams.
Copyrighted 2007. Please include Copyright if you copy this file.The “receiving of the Spirits by Prayer,” and the “operations of the Spirits” have been discussed in another file. Now we will look at various lists of the “holy seven,” from the Bible, in side-by-side columns. This will demonstrate the fact that each one of the seven Spirits of God has a multifaceted personality. Forinstance, “Faith” is represented as the “Teaching of Jesus” (One Faith), and as “the answer to Prayer” (Counsel), and as “Trust” and “Prayer” (Faith). The other seven Spirits will be seen in different lights also.ISAIAH EZEKIEL GALATIANS EPHESIANS1) Righteousness Face of Man Love One Body
2) Counsel Face of Lion Faith One Faith
3) Knowledge Face of Ox Joy One Hope
4) Fear of He Is (HWHY) Face of Eagle Meekness One Dipping
5) Wisdom and Holy Spirit before
Understanding the throne Lonsuffering One Spirit
6) Judgment Jesus on the Peace and
throne Self-control One Lord
7) Might God on the Goodness and
throne Kindness One God1) The Spirit of Love is represented as “the Face of a Man,” and as “One Body,” and “we (the Body) are the Righteousness of God in Him (Jesus).” If we do not Love man whom we have seen, how can we Love God whom we have not seen?2) The Spirit of Faith is represented as “the answer to Prayer” (Counsel), and as being “Lion-hearted,” in our Belief in God, and as “One Teaching.”3) The Spirit of Knowledge is pictured as “the Ox plowing to sow the Seed,” and represented by the Joy of “sowing the Seed,” and as “the Hope of the message of the Seed sown, which was the resurrection in AD 77.” Our Hope today is in the promised resurrection at the End of the World.4) The Spirit of Forgiveness is the result of Meekness, and the Fear of the Lord; for many are too proud to submit to the One Dipping. The Eagle is the symbol of “Urgency” in the Old Testament, for God and the pagan nations, are predicted to swoop down like an Eagle destroying the enemies of God. Jesus taught that “unless you forgive your brother, you will not be forgiven.”5) The One Spirit of the Body represents Obedience to One Lord and One God; this is the Spirit of Obedience “on earth.” The seven Spirits before the throne are from God in “Third Heaven;” and also, the Spirit is Longsuffering.6) Jesus on the throne is the One Lord, and “He is our Peace,” and He demonstrated Self-control in going to the cross, for “He opened not His mouth.” Then, “all Judgment is committed to the Son,”
and in a general list (which follows), Jesus is our Atonement.7) Our Heavenly Father is the One God on the throne with One Lord, and He has the Spirit of Might, or Strength, to destroy nations and individual men; or to deliver nations and men, and Body and Soul. The “new Body of man is immortal; or, incorruptible.” God is also the Spirit of Adoption; this is into the Body on earth first, and then, into Third Heaven finally.Now we will observe another chart of parallel lists of the seven Spirits of God.2 PETER REV 5 REV 7 GENERAL TERMS1) Love Blessing Blessing Love
2) Faith Honor Honor Faith
3) Knowledge Glory Glory Knowledge
4) Brotherly
Kindness Power Power Forgiveness
5) Perseverance Wisdom Wisdom Wisdom
6) Virtue and
Self-control Riches Thanksgiving Atonement
7) Godliness Strength Might AdoptionBy means of these two charts we have brought together some of the various lists of the seven Spirits of God. These seven Spirits of God are represented by the symbol, “Lampstand.” See: Zechariah 4.2 and Revelation 1.12, 20; 2.5; 11.4.[In Revelation 11.4, “two Lampstands” is an error in translation, and should read: “the two Olive Trees and (7) Lampstands BOTH standing before the God of the earth.”]For additional lists, see: Ephesians 6.14-18, Jude 25."For as the Body (Congregation) without the Spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also" - Jas 2.26.Alexander Campbell blasphemed the Holy Spirit in the 1800s, and the ex-Restoration Movement churches today blaspheme the Holy Spirit also. So then, they have discarded Campbell's good works, but they have held on to the evil ones.X) The Sad News!1) No one can receive the Spirit of God until the, "temple of the Holy Spirit is cleansed by dipping"; which is the believer''s body.2) Added to this fact, all the believers in the apostles', "Gift of the Holy Spirit," that will be saved, have already been saved.3) In other words, the Old Testament is over. Jesus and the apostle Paul dated the Old Testamnt in Matt 5.18 ("heaven and earth" = Israel); and in 1Cor 9.20-21; and in 1Cor 13.8-10.4) We have an added duty in the New Testamemt, "To keep the Mark of the Beast out of our Foreheads (Minds)."5) The Miracle of 1992, in Ardmore, Oklahoma, was Jesus' means of teachig us that, "God can count to three!"
For 1900 years the Bible commentators have all denied that, "God can count to three" (see: Mt 16.27-28, where Jesus clear message is denied by all today, except the Preterists and New Jerusalem."Life is never the same after you learn to count to three!"So then, "Come out of the Pope's Old Testament Church!"sl33w

sl33w,There is just too much out on the table to write about.Maybe we could work our way back to the subject of the meaning of "Us" in the book of Genesis.jw

To: Jaywill and the Forum1) First I disagree with your post that "Us" in Genesis, means believers in the first century AD.2) In the Parable of Creation Verse 1.26 IS DEFINITELY about the first century AD.3) However, "Us" described 2 Creators who made believers. Therefore it cannot refer to the finished product.4) The Two Creators were named in the Bible to be:A) "He Is" (HWHY) and His Anonited (Jesus); Psalm 2.2.
B) "He Is" (HWHY) and His Son (Jesus); Psalm 2.7.
C) "He Is" (HWHY) and a "Priest to ever after the order of Melchizedek; Psalm 110.4.
D) Father and Son; John 5.23.
E) One Lord (Jesus) and One God; Epesians 4.5-6.
F) The God and The Lamb; Rev 22.1.5) A) One Creator is identified as "the Son"; Col 1.13-16.
B) Multiple Creators are named as plural "Gods" (MYHLA); Genesis 1.1, and 2,300 times.
C) Lord God (Kurios Theos) identified as Creator; Rev 4.11.
Note: 1 + 1 = 2.Conclusion:The Bible is consistent throughout: Two Gods, Two Creators.sl33w

Could you please quote me where I wrote that the divine "Us" in Genesis (particularly 1:26) means "believers in the first century AD."I don't mind you disagreeing with me if it is something that I actually said. So where did I say this?

To: JaywillSorry that I have misunderstood your post. You are right, I stand corrected.Quote: "They are praising God for His "power" by which they can reign as deputy authorities over God's creation."The "they" in this verse is defined, "in heaven nor in Earth" (Israel), and "down under the Earth" (Gentiles). See: Rev 5.3.1) These Israelites had been identified as "priests" to "burn incense (prayers of holy ones) to the God."2) "we reign over the Earth (New Jerusalem) as priests and kings" - Rev 5.10. "We" = first century Israelites.Because I have different definitions for words from your definitions (which are from symbolism in the OT in my case), I misread your post.Accept my apology!Complainnts: You have not answered any of my disputes of your claims which are numbered.You are only reciting your creed, and not discussing the issue, and my beliefs.sl33w

Okay. You will find that my comments are going to attempt to move the discussion towards the matter of the Divine Us in Genesis. Hold on here sl33w.1.) When I used the word "they" in the sentence that you quoted from MY post, "they" refered to the 24 elders. Let's start there.2.) You seem to want to tell me that the "they" refers to Revelation 5:3 which says:"And no one in heaven nor on the earth nor under the earth was able to open the scroll or look into it."I am not sure I follow your explanation as you intend. But let me point out some things.I did not say that the 24 elders were able to open the scroll or look into it. The fact that no creature in heaven, nor on earth, nor under the earth, was able to open the scroll or look into it (except for the Lion of the tribe of Judah - the Messiah Jesus) does not effect the PRAISING of those who praise in the rest of the chapter.I said that the 24 elders were praising God with glory and honor and POWER acknowledging that their power to be deputy authorities over God's creation derives from God. WHERE are they identified as Israelites?There is no verse which specifically tells us that these elders are priests of the Israelites.It may be true that no passage specifically identifies them as angels either. However, the evidence convinces me that this is a better interpretation.The scene is in heaven (Rev.2:2). Can you point out to me why I should believe that priests among the Israelites should be in heaven? If you were to tell me angels were in heaven, that would be much more easily understood.I am aware of that David divided both the priests and the Levites into twenty-four groups. This is more a statement on the significance of the numbers in typology rather than proof that the elders are Levites or priests of Israel.Twelve times two is the doubling of the strength of the divine administration signified by 12. In brief the doubling of the the number 12 signifies that the administration of the 24 elders is strong - doubled and reinforced.Theydo have crowns BEFORE the second coming of Christ. The Isrealites will participate in the government of the earth in the millennium. But this scene is BEFORE that time and the elders are upon thrones ALREADY.The chapters four and five are very much related to God the Creator of the entire creation. These chapters are neither limited to Israel or the New Testament church. Therefore the elders are better understood as the elders of the whole creation of God.God created the angels before He created man, Israel, or the church. The angels as the "sons of God" rejoiced at the creation in chapter 38. So we know that they are more ancient and more elder than ANY human beings Jew or Gentile.I will have to cut my comments short here because I am called away.Continue latter. Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

To: Jaywill1) A prophecy of Sid Williams:“Glory of Gods (MYHLA) the concealing [of] speaking, and glory of kings searching out speaking” - Proverbs 25.2.So then, in answer to prayers for the 7 Spirits of God to interpret the Bible, I have learned the 42 Months, and Fall of Babylon, and Satan Loosed a Little, and the Last Battle, and Revival 2015.The Bible is not for “the natural man” (1Cor 2.14), but is “spiritually discerned.” This meaning - no man can comprehend the Bible, but Iesous reveals the interpretation to the sons of God, possessing the Spirit of God.This was not mentioned to boast, but instead, to point out that the Bible is not always logically interpreted.For instance, “they sang a new song” (Rev 5.9) does not refer to the Elders in verse 8, but to the 10,000 in verse 11. This is confirmed by the phrase, “we will reign (future tense) over the Earth (New Jerusalem)” (verse 10).The 24 Elders had ruled in the past by their inspired writings, but now, the Old Testament was ended, and they ruled no more. This was even cursed “to look on the divorced woman (Israel)” (Mt 5.28-32). The “right eye” was the shepherds of Israel (Zec 11.17), and the “left eye” was the apostles (1Jn 1.1).2) Israelites = Priesthood in Third Heaven.A) “you also, as living stones, are being built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood . But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation . ” - 1Pet 2.5, 9.
B) “and has made us kings and priests to the God of Him . ” - Rev 1.6.
C) NOTE: “Us” referred to the Israelites of the Israelite apostle, John.
D) “and have made us kings and priests to the God of us . ” - Rev 5.10.3) “Angels” are better than “ten thousands of holy ones (saints)” (Jude 14); and better than, “in heaven and on the earth” (Israel resurrected).
4) NOTE: the Pope invented “angels,” which is properly translated, “messengers.”5) “Why were Israelites in Third Heaven?”6) BECAUSE - much of the Bible had predicted it! The Lord Iesous had predicted it: Mt 16.27-28; Mt 24.34, John 16.16 (A Little), Rev 2.10 (Ten Days), Rev 2.5 (Quickly). 1235 Days = 1258 BC - AD 77. 2300 Days = Dec. 167 BC to early AD 77.7) “No crowns before the coming of Christ.” REPLY: There will never be a coming of “Christ” because there is no “Christ” in the Bible. This is from the Pope, and the Dark Ages. There will never be a coming of the Son of the Man, BECAUSE - He came in Ten Days; AD 77.8) “The Israelites will participate in the Millennium.” There is no Israel or Israelites of Jews associated with the Millennium in the Bible. BUT - I was raised up in the Millennium! AND - I am still in the Millennium, although we are described to be in captivity today:9) “They went up on the breadth of the Earth (New Jerusalem) and surrounded the camp of the holy ones, and of the City, the [one] of Extreme Loving (Agapetos) . “ - Rev 20.9.10) “Revelation 4 and 5 are not limited to Israel.” This is true! “Down under the Earth” represents saved Gentiles. BUT - these chapters are limited to the Resurrection of the Dead and the Living in AD 77. This is demonstrated by the New Covenant being the 7 Seals of the Book with 7 Seals (Rev 6.1-11.15). The Bible mentioned “the blood of the New Covenant” being taught to the apostles; BUT - 2Cor 3.6 identified the “ministers of the New Covenant” but no “Law” of the New Covenant.11) I searched for years to find a New Covenant in the apostles’ Old Covenant teachings (1Cor 9.20-21); but all for naught! But I found it in Revelation.12) “He (Little Horn = Papacy) thinks to change time and law” - Dan 7.25.13) “Then, he opened his mouth in blasphemy against the God, to blaspheme the name of Him, and the dwelling of Him (New Jerusalem), the [ones] dwelling in the heaven [AD 77]” - Rev 13.6. [These are sure signs that a man is going to Hell, who believes these, “Three Blasphemies of the Beast.”]14) “Chapter 38.”15) “In singing together as morning stars and they shouted them all of son of Gods (MYHLA)” - Job 38.7. Job wrote after Moses and after Joshua and Judges were written.sl33w

I wish there were something here that relates more closely to the topic.

To: jaywillQuote: "I wish there were something here that reated more closely to the subject."You introduced every one of these subjects.I merely replied to your post.But I will not reply to you anymore.sl33w

You may be right that I touched on some of these subjects.If so I apologize. However, if you don't want to reply anymore, suit yourself. I in turn will not reply to you anymore either.So we're through with each other.Enjoy the forum.