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nator
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Message 121 of 165 (448249)
01-12-2008 6:07 PM
Reply to: Message 119 by Buzsaw
01-12-2008 5:26 PM


Re: Re-Soul
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The problem with this statement is that God created just one and only one man. That's it. The rest of humanity have been born or procreated from that one created man via the birth process from that one created man.
Eve wasn't born.
God created her at the same time as Adam:
1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

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sidelined
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Message 122 of 165 (448251)
01-12-2008 6:11 PM
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01-12-2008 5:26 PM


Re: Re-Soul
Buzsaw
The problem with this statement is that God created just one and only one man. That's it. The rest of humanity have been born or procreated from that one created man via the birth process from that one created man.
Except that there is no genetic contribution left from that man in any of the possible descendants alive today.

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ICANT
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Message 123 of 165 (448258)
01-12-2008 6:46 PM
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01-12-2008 5:26 PM


Re: Re-Soul
Hi Buzsaw,
No just been real busy with the church, holidays year forward planning just have not had time and am very limited now.
Buzsaw writes:
The problem with this statement is that God created just one and only one man. That's it. The rest of humanity have been born or procreated from that one created man via the birth process from that one created man.
Buz I have a closed thread on by beliefs concerning what I posted here if you would check it out I would appreciate it. If I go into it here we will be so far off topic Percy will scream and I will be able to hear him here in Florida. Look at it if you want to discuss it I would love to but we would have to start a thread for that.
It is:The Literal Genesis Account of Creation
Have fun,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 124 of 165 (448282)
01-12-2008 8:44 PM
Reply to: Message 121 by nator
01-12-2008 6:07 PM


Re: Re-Soul
I know that, madear. My statement pertained to Adam, the man.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 125 of 165 (448283)
01-12-2008 8:46 PM
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01-12-2008 6:11 PM


Re: Re-Soul
The genetic contribution is human life itself through procreation down through the centuries. Were it not for the first man we wouldn't exist as per the Biblical record. Right?

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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IamJoseph
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Message 126 of 165 (448302)
01-12-2008 10:23 PM
Reply to: Message 117 by ICANT
01-12-2008 7:14 AM


Re: Re-Soul
Yes, I agree the term descendent is more appropriate than predesessor, and this refers to the first and only time the word 'created' is used - which is in Gen 1/1. There is no predesessor of speech endowed humans - we know this is true despite the millions of years of precedent life forms. Thus Genesis uses the term 'GENERATIONS' of Adam; here, adam = human; it becomes a pronoun with the first recorded dialogue.
Edited by IamJoseph, : No reason given.

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IamJoseph
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Message 127 of 165 (448303)
01-12-2008 10:25 PM
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01-12-2008 6:11 PM


Re: Re-Soul
'SPEECH'. This is a relavtively new phenomnon in the known universe.

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IamJoseph
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Message 128 of 165 (448308)
01-12-2008 10:42 PM
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01-12-2008 8:46 PM


Re: Re-Soul
quote:
The genetic contribution is human life itself through procreation down through the centuries.
I don't see it that way. Procreation would not happen unless a precedent design or program was in place, and the procreating entities were in total interacting allignment with each other. The hovering intergration factor rules, and this negates any random.

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ICANT
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Message 129 of 165 (448310)
01-12-2008 10:48 PM
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01-12-2008 10:25 PM


Re: Re-Soul
Hi Joseph,
'SPEECH'. This is a relavtively new phenomnon in the known universe.
How old is God?

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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IamJoseph
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Message 130 of 165 (448313)
01-12-2008 11:03 PM
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01-12-2008 10:48 PM


Re: Re-Soul
You will see that the only true definition of 'infinite' is that which is not subject to change, namely, 'I AM THE LORD I HAVE NOT CHANGED' [Ex]. And since nothing can pass this test, it's subsequent claim is also correct, namely 'I AM THE LORD THERE IS NO OTHER'.
Even light, which is regarded as the only known entity which is ageless, is subject to change: in its intensity, and when it is switched off.

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ICANT
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Message 131 of 165 (448340)
01-13-2008 12:36 AM
Reply to: Message 130 by IamJoseph
01-12-2008 11:03 PM


Re: Re-Soul
Hi Joseph,
You will see that the only true definition of 'infinite' is that which is not subject to change, namely, 'I AM THE LORD I HAVE NOT CHANGED'
I am going out on a limb here and say I believe God could speak as he carried on a conversation with the first man in the garden.
That means speech has been around as long as God has.
Have fun,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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IamJoseph
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Message 132 of 165 (448358)
01-13-2008 3:49 AM
Reply to: Message 131 by ICANT
01-13-2008 12:36 AM


Re: Re-Soul
LOL. Yes, the first dialogue is in genesis, and so is the first 'action', namely the command, AND GOD SAID LET THERE BE LIGHT. The word * SAID* refers to speech. Even all of man's works is consequent to speech, [The word] - the only factor separating us from all others. Science is derived from speech.

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nator
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Message 133 of 165 (448372)
01-13-2008 7:47 AM
Reply to: Message 124 by Buzsaw
01-12-2008 8:44 PM


Eve
quote:
My statement pertained to Adam, the man.
But you said:
quote:
The problem with this statement is that God created just one and only one man. That's it. The rest of humanity have been born or procreated from that one created man via the birth process from that one created man.
"The rest of humanity" includes Eve, doesn't it?
Eve wasn't born "via the birth process", but was created by God at the same time Adam was.
Therefore, it isn't accurate for you to say what I quoted above.
Just sayin'.
Edited by nator, : fixed quote box

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Buzsaw
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Message 134 of 165 (448483)
01-13-2008 7:05 PM
Reply to: Message 128 by IamJoseph
01-12-2008 10:42 PM


Re: Re-Soul
Please explain. You don't make sense to me.

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Buzsaw
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Message 135 of 165 (448484)
01-13-2008 7:12 PM
Reply to: Message 133 by nator
01-13-2008 7:47 AM


Re: Eve
Eve was not a man. I didn't say mankind. Adam was the first man created from earth/dust. Eve, the first woman was created from Adam; Adam being the first human, i.e. man created. Get it?

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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