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Diomedes01
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Message 1 of 26 (510621)
06-01-2009 7:27 PM


Hello everyone.
I've been a big fan of this forum for some time but this is my first post. So please be gentle.
I had a question pertaining to the creationist claims that science has not adequately demonstrated how life came to being on this planet.
Now back in high school (and during one semester of university biology), there were discussions pertaining to the Miller-Urey experiments showing how more complex molecules could form from rudimentary material. My question is, what additional key evidence do die hard creatists require? Is it the fact that experiments have not produced self-replicating life yet that is the stickler point?
Also, since this is not my field of expertise, are there currently additional experiments being performed that are looking to bridge the gap between less complex inorganic forms and organic life?

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Diomedes01
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Message 6 of 26 (510695)
06-02-2009 3:30 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by Stile
06-02-2009 2:35 PM


Re: The Wheels in the Creationist Mind Don't Go Round and Round
Hi everyone.
Thanks for the great replies!
I actually brought forth this discussion based on some dialogue I had with a few creationists on youtube.
Essentially, I was so often barraged with the common question "what would make you believe in god" from creationists and fundamentalists, that I began to respond in kind by asking them what evidence they would require to believe in things like evolution or abiogenesis?
Naturally, like many of you stated, the response was "nothing". Which was ironic since I would always give them a valid response to their question of "what would make you believe in god"? My answer was always: "If he revealed himself to me, producing a genuine spiritual experience that I knew was not the product of some mental disorder or the after effect of some barbituate I had consumed, than I would believe." :-)
But back to the original thread, regarding the Miller-Urey experiments, thank you for the responses. I was always fascinated by that experiment and it makes me chuckle how much fundamentalists have bastardized it to the point that they make it sound like something Mary Shelly wrote.

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Diomedes01
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Message 14 of 26 (510804)
06-03-2009 3:15 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by Percy
06-03-2009 1:41 PM


Re: Pasteur's law
The other, all too often seen, side of this coin is when creationists talk about Pasteur's experiments as some ultimate disproof of abiogenesis in an origins of life context
Yes, I had to come across that assertion several times. And if I remember my biology classes from a bygone era, Pasteur was actually trying to demonstrate the validity of the spontaneous generation theory of the era. i.e. fully formed life appearing from dead forms. Which if I recall was due to the mis-understanding of how things like maggots formed on dead or decaying tissue. (It wasn't understood until later that these were fly larvae) Needless to say, it is hard conveying the fact that abiogenesis and spontaneous generation have nothing in common.
At least the above is not as often thrown at me as Pascal's wager is; that one drives me nuts.
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