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jar
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Message 211 of 226 (164737)
12-02-2004 5:30 PM
Reply to: Message 208 by JESUS freak
12-02-2004 5:10 PM


Re: Sorry
Way to go JF. A very good post and I applaud you.
Keep questioning and you'll do just fine.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Message 212 of 226 (164742)
12-02-2004 5:39 PM
Reply to: Message 209 by Admin
12-02-2004 5:24 PM


Re: Sorry
I'd just like to echo what Percy said - here's an example for you to chew on. Most internet forums are like learning to box on the street, sure you can pull off a few flash tricks but you just don't get the basics.
Here at the EVCgym, you get to be worked over by number of professionals! (happened to me a number of times) In the process you get to pick up both the basics and the ability to hold your own in a debate.

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Message 213 of 226 (164776)
12-02-2004 10:50 PM
Reply to: Message 209 by Admin
12-02-2004 5:24 PM


Re: Sorry
Admin writes:
I think you're doing great, keep it up! Sorry if you don't have a scanner, you'll just have to keep typing.
Aren't you forgetting something? Thursday is almost over.

Hate world.
Revenge soon!

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Message 214 of 226 (164778)
12-02-2004 10:51 PM
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12-02-2004 10:50 PM


Re: Sorry
Lam, he's already told us that he understands his mistake.
There isn't need for evidence any more. Perhaps you need to read the posts.

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Message 215 of 226 (164796)
12-02-2004 11:51 PM
Reply to: Message 208 by JESUS freak
12-02-2004 5:10 PM


Re: Sorry
It takes a hell of a lot more strength of character to admit to being wrong than it does to just happen to be right.
Hats off to you, JF.

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Message 216 of 226 (164819)
12-03-2004 2:25 AM
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12-02-2004 10:51 PM


Re: Sorry
I wasn't referring to that.

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Message 217 of 226 (164851)
12-03-2004 8:06 AM


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Message 218 of 226 (164853)
12-03-2004 8:07 AM


Thread moved here from the Boot Camp forum.

  
jar
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Message 219 of 226 (164911)
12-03-2004 1:38 PM


Congratulations Jesus Freak.
I knew you could do it if anyone could. Keep researching, questioning and challenging and there is no limit on what you can accomplish.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

  
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Message 220 of 226 (164926)
12-03-2004 3:02 PM


Time to change title
How about a new title for this
something like:
"Limits on the Where the Urey-Miller Experiment Should be Applied"
Which is what we have gotten to I think. To summarize:
1) It has nothing to do with evolution.
2) It is probably not applicable to the actual early Earth environment.
3) It doesn't show how early life arose.
4) If does show that the very basic building blocks of life can arise rather easily in some conditions.

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Message 221 of 226 (164930)
12-03-2004 3:21 PM
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12-03-2004 3:02 PM


Re: Time to change title
Ok, sure, I agree to that, that it was still presented in textbooks wrongly was supposed to be the topic of this discussion.
ADMIN: if you could change the topic to what nosey ned said, I would be greatfull

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Message 222 of 226 (164931)
12-03-2004 3:21 PM
Reply to: Message 220 by NosyNed
12-03-2004 3:02 PM


Re: Time to change title
If a title change is done, I think the original title needs to be preserved as an addition - (was "The lies behind the Miller experiment").
But I'm more inclined to think the title should remain unchanged. The essential point of the topic seems to have been resolved. Various members can add their concluding remarks (if they haven't allready), and then this topic should be closed down.
I may be wrong. Normally I would post "Pick a topic from the list of links below, if you wish to debate the matter". But maybe in this case, the "what to do with this topic" should be debated right here.
Adminnemooseus

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Message 223 of 226 (164951)
12-03-2004 4:12 PM
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12-03-2004 3:21 PM


Re: Time to change title
Moose notes reasons for not.
It was your topic originally, I'll leave it to you to pick what to do. It does seem to be tidied up nicely, which we don't always do with topics to say the least.

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AdminJar
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Message 224 of 226 (164952)
12-03-2004 4:16 PM
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12-03-2004 3:21 PM


Re: Time to change title
Since we are well over two hundred posts already can I suggest that this thread be closed and JF start a new thread related to the Miller-Urey expiriment and its meaning.

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Message 225 of 226 (164977)
12-03-2004 5:36 PM
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12-03-2004 4:16 PM


Re: Time to change title
Although I have only skimmed through this thread, I'm just amazed that it took over 200 posts for us to come to the conclusion that the Miller-Urey experiment was never used to support the theory of evolution.

I personally think that inter-racial marriage isn't a good idea either, so don't use that one against me. -- Rosie Cotton

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