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CK
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Message 31 of 115 (156282)
11-05-2004 3:47 PM
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11-05-2004 3:43 PM


Re: An explanation of evolution
And you understand now that evolution is not the "creation of life"?

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Message 32 of 115 (156285)
11-05-2004 3:49 PM
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11-05-2004 3:40 PM


Re: miller-urey experiment
Depends what you mean. I have read many biology textbooks and books written by authors on both sides of the evoloution issue. Older does not mean smarter, though I do acnolage that they know the deffinitions and the tehnical aspects of most small theorys. I have spent my time studying the general items that are needed to make fools out of my teachers. And yes I have been through a very rudimentary biology course.

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Message 33 of 115 (156290)
11-05-2004 3:52 PM
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11-05-2004 3:47 PM


Re: An explanation of evolution
Yes thank you, but my point still stands that whether or not the miller experiment has to do with evoloution, it is being used that way.

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CK
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Message 34 of 115 (156291)
11-05-2004 3:52 PM
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11-05-2004 3:49 PM


Re: miller-urey experiment
quote:
I have spent my time studying the general items that are needed to make fools out of my teachers.
I don't mean to be rude - but you seem to grasp a understanding of basic terms or even what evolution actually is - I doubt this to the case.

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Message 35 of 115 (156295)
11-05-2004 3:53 PM
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11-05-2004 3:52 PM


Re: An explanation of evolution
But where - I am familar with that textbook and it is not being used to prove evolution.
Unless you could quote the section that does this?

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Message 36 of 115 (156298)
11-05-2004 3:54 PM
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11-05-2004 3:52 PM


Re: miller-urey experiment
Fine. doubt me This is how I spend my time, and for what I have had to do before this site, the knolage has proved to be quite enough to make anyone who believes in this theory stutter.

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Message 37 of 115 (156301)
11-05-2004 3:55 PM
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11-05-2004 3:53 PM


Re: An explanation of evolution
yes I will when I have the time.

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CK
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Message 38 of 115 (156306)
11-05-2004 3:59 PM
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11-05-2004 3:55 PM


Re: An explanation of evolution
Can I be honest?
This happens every six weeks or so - A creationist shows up, makes those claims and is then shot down in flames.
If you could provide this evidence, you would be the first I can remember.

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Message 39 of 115 (156307)
11-05-2004 3:59 PM
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11-05-2004 3:46 PM


Re: miller-urey experiment
yes this is it

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Message 40 of 115 (156308)
11-05-2004 3:59 PM
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11-05-2004 3:54 PM


Stuttering
It will be interesting to see what that knowledge is.
So far you have demonstrated no knowledge of the subject matter at all.

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Message 41 of 115 (156313)
11-05-2004 4:01 PM
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11-05-2004 3:49 PM


Re: miller-urey experiment
JF writes:
I have read many biology textbooks and books written by authors on both sides of the evoloution issue.
Do you even know that most books out there on the issue are written in lament's terms just so people like you could understand?
Older does not mean smarter, though I do acnolage that they know the deffinitions and the tehnical aspects of most small theorys.
You have an oversimplified view of life. Know that some of the people you are talking to are real live biologists and perform these experiments themselves.
I have spent my time studying the general items that are needed to make fools out of my teachers.
Irrelevant. It's like me saying I can make a fool out of you simply because I can speak Vietnamese and you can't. Apparently, you don't know what specialize mean.
And yes I have been through a very rudimentary biology course.
???
Added by edit.
You remind me of someone I used to know. She visited Vietnam for 2 weeks and afterward she claimed to know everything there is to know about the Vietnamese culture. She also claimed that Vietname is a democracy. When she started talking about some specifics, I had to correct her on some things. She just started saying that she knew these things more than I did, since she was an "observer." Now really, who are you going to trust more, someone that visited a section of Vietnam that was made purely for tourists and someone that actually grew up in the country and still have relatives all over the place there? Might I also add that I recently went back there and stayed among the locals for 3 months.
This message has been edited by Lam, 11-05-2004 04:11 PM

Hate world.
Revenge soon!

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Message 42 of 115 (156316)
11-05-2004 4:02 PM
Reply to: Message 38 by CK
11-05-2004 3:59 PM


Re: An explanation of evolution
good I can be the first at something. I have not said evoloution is wrong in this forum. I have said that the miller experiment is being used as a basis of fact along with a bunch of other things that are not the topic of this forum to premote the theory of evolution. Not to mention the fact that the miller experiment was a failere.

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Message 43 of 115 (156319)
11-05-2004 4:04 PM
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11-05-2004 4:01 PM


Re: miller-urey experiment
Most books being a key word. I try at least to avoid those. Papers published by professors is a better sorce of data for me.

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Message 44 of 115 (156323)
11-05-2004 4:07 PM
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11-05-2004 4:04 PM


Agreed
Papers published by professors is a better sorce of data for me.
Agreed, and even if a book is used the papers that it is based on may have to be referred to if there is disagreement with the content of the book.

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CK
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Message 45 of 115 (156327)
11-05-2004 4:09 PM
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11-05-2004 4:02 PM


Re: An explanation of evolution
quote:
good I can be the first at something. I have not said evoloution is wrong in this forum. I have said that the miller experiment is being used as a basis of fact along with a bunch of other things that are not the topic of this forum to premote the theory of evolution. Not to mention the fact that the miller experiment was a failere.
But where? you keep saying this and have, to date, failed to provide any evidence of this.
You have made a claim about the use of this experiment to prove evolution. You have so far failed to provide any evidence at all to back this claim.
Can you provide such evidence?
A quote, a reference from a source?
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