A Logical account of creation

No, he was talking about uracil - can you not read? Who was this scientist? Please provide his name and where he made the quote. Really? Please provide evidence of this. Given the RNA Hypothesis, you might have thought that there would be an idea that this is not true... but that would have required 'thought' and I don't see a lot of that in these posts...

look here

the quote comes from the British 'New Scientist' journal in an article entitled "Darwins Theory: An Exercise in Science" June 25th 1981 by Michael Ruse.

Ah, I see. So it wasn't New Scientist stating this - it was made within an article - do we have a full, none-quote-mined copy of what Ruse said? Or are the creationists all just copying each other's quote-mine yet again?

Peg, one guy from a plant institute publishing in what must be the most obscure journal unknown to man, and declaring that he has a "law" is not really how 'laws' come in to being in science...

Here is Michael Ruse's reply concerning the quote-mine: I wonder how much Jesus loves the limitless lying and deception perpetrated by his followers... What do you think, Peg?

im not surebut im sure a copy could be got from New Scientist

i dont know how science officiates such ideas/theories/lawshow did Newtons/Gallileo or Eisteins laws become official?

I, personally, am having a rather hard time finding the original article. However, MANY creo-sites quote this. not a single scientific site does as such. Please, if you can find the original, provide it. I would love to read it.Edited by hooah212002, : spellcheck

well you know what they say..."the road to hell is paved with good intentions"but seriously, i think creationists are looking very closely at what evolutionists say and when they say something that appears to express some amount of doubt, creationists use it. YOu cant blame them can you? I mean the idea that life evolved and was not created is diametrically opposed to their entire belief system.most of us are not scientists...and those who are seem to be branded as 'not real scientists' if they believe in creation. So its no wonder we pounce on anything that appears to discredit evolution.

Peer review, further research and verifiable testing and confirmed predictions.

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One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We're no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It is simply too painful to acknowledge -- even to ourselves -- that we've been so credulous. - Carl Sagan, The Fine Art of Baloney Detection"You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep seated need to believe." - Carl Sagan"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World

Because it is decieptful, peg. Words are misconstrued. They are twisting peoples quotes around and shelling them out to APPEAR that there is doubt, when there isn't any.Creationism and ID are out to bash Evolution, not prove themselves true. That is how they think they can sway people: by lying and saying that Evolution is wrong and you will go to hell if you question the bible.Edited by hooah212002, : No reason given.Edited by hooah212002, : No reason given.

i only have the reference in the bibliography in my 'evolution or creation' book.I did a google but didnt come up with anything either... Perhaps someone would need to ask New Scientist or the author for a copy of the original article.

Wow, Peg, your truthfulness meter just peged. I can't find anything in the above I would really disagree with. Though there are some 'real' scientists that keep more quite about their religious beliefs than others and do not make it an issue.

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One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We're no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It is simply too painful to acknowledge -- even to ourselves -- that we've been so credulous. - Carl Sagan, The Fine Art of Baloney Detection"You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep seated need to believe." - Carl Sagan"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World

I may even have a copy in my archive - but it would take some climbing and searching But the point is - Michael Ruse who is being quoted as saying when questioned on this, replied so I don't think we even need to look for the article, when the author in question is giving us his own view...