A Logical account of creation

This is entirely POSSIBLE, but if you want to go that route anything is possible. If this is what God did, don’t you think He would have told us? God told us that He created the earth moon and stars and every living creature in 6 days. The more people study evolution and creation, the more they realize that it’s either/or. You have to pick one or the other. Either God created everything from nothing in six days or everything evolved from nothing over billions of years. I’m sure that’s why the creators of this website have a “vs.” between creation and evolution. Or to be consistent with “science” I guess I should say that’s why this website evolved from nothing with no intelligent guidance to have a “vs.” in between evolution and creation.

And this is a fact because you were there and saw it happen? Actually they are in dispute. What exactly is an old universe based on? Is it the distance of stars and the speed of light? Einstein showed through his theory of general relativity that time dilation occurs around massive objects. Therefore light distance and velocity wouldn’t be an accurate measure of time. You can read more at: Review Dr. Russ Humphreys A Young-Earth Relativistic Cosmology | Answers in Genesis Or perhaps you believe that the Earth is old based on the uniformitarian geological time scale which basically states that because geological strata form slowly today they formed slowly in the past. Just because you see me driving 5 mph into my driveway doesn’t mean I drove 5 mph on the highway to get there.The title of this thread is a logical account of creation. The most logical account of creation would be one from a first hand eye witness account. If you’re searching for that account the answer is in Genesis. There aren’t differing “tales” about creation in the Bible. With 66 books and 44 authors, in its original form no where does the Bible contradict itself. If you disagree please be specific.

Do you have any evidence to support that claim, or do you make a habit of making false accusations? Actually this is an incorrect interpretation. Genesis chapter 1 gives the order and Genesis chapter 2 goes into greater detail about the creation of man and woman. Because you weren’t specific I assume (and please correct me if I’m wrong) you are referring to Genesis 2:19 that says, “Now the LORD God had formed out of the ground all the beasts of the field and all the birds of the air. He brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name.” -NIVI’m guessing your mis-interpretation comes from another translation that doesn’t say “had formed” but “formed”. This would give the impression that God formed animals after man, when clearly from Genesis 1 God created animals before man. Who am I to speak for God? Who am I to say that one translation is right and one is wrong? I’m not worthy of making that claim so let’s look at the original Hebrew. You can read the entire article here: Missing Link | Answers in Genesis

Actually they match the evidence quite well. You’ve simply interpreted the evidence incorrectly. Rather than us going back and forth saying, “You’re wrong.” “No you’re wrong.” Let’s discuss the evidence and the proper interpretations.One of the biggest problems with the Genesis account of creation is the light travel time problem. If God created the stars on day 4, approximately 6 thousand years ago we would only see the stars that are 6 thousand light years (or less) away. Russell Humphreys and his White Hole Cosmology in his book Starlight and Time have solved this problem. He has shown that it is mathematically possible that Earth entered a black hole during creation week. At the point of singularity the black hole reversed into a white hole and the Earth exited the white hole. From a vantage point outside of the white hole billions of year’s worth of time could have passed, while from the Earth vantage point this happened nearly instantaneously.Perhaps you still believe in the Big Bang model for the existence of the universe. If you discount the Genesis account of creation because of the light travel time problem, then you should discount the Big Bang for its light travel time problem as well. Cosmic microwave background radiation is nearly uniform everywhere we look in the universe, from 18 billion light-years one direction to 18 billion light-years in the other direction. Unfortunately there hasn’t been enough time for one side of the universe to communicate with the other side and reach equilibrium.Like I said before the Genesis account of creation is the only logical account of creation.It’s likely that we will never reach an agreement, because my axiom is that the Bible is the flawless word of God and evidence from the past should be interpreted in light of that. It seems your axiom is that the Bible was simply written by man and full of errors. I hope in time you’ll realize that God and His Word can be trusted.

Another piece of evidence that has been improperly interpreted is the fossil record. The Uniformitarian Geological Timescale basically says that each layer of sediment was laid down over millions of years. The evidence however shows polystrate fossils. (poly- meaning many and -strate meaning strata) The most common polystrate fossils are tree trunks. They supposedly penetrate through millions of years of geological time. If this were true however, they would have rotted before the next layer was laid down. It makes much more sense that they were buried during flood conditions. During a violent flood the trees were ripped up by their roots, and stripped of all of their leaves and branches. They then became water logged and sank root-side first and were rapidly buried in sediment. It was in this mineral rich water that fossilization took place. This is exactly what happened when Mount St. Helens erupted on May 18 1980. With the Bible as my axiom, this interpretation of the fossil record makes perfect sense in light of the Noachian Deluge.In fact every ancient culture has a global flood story. The Epic of Gilgamesh is one of the more famous ones. This is obviously a variation of the story of Noah. One example that Gilgamesh is a variation of Noah and not vice versa is the dimensions given for the ark. In the Epic of Gilgamesh only one dimension is given, making his boat a cube. This would be extremely unstable. Whereas the dimensions found in Genesis 6:15 make an extremely stable boat. In fact experts say it could withstand waves 30 meters high. To put that in perspective the Tsunami that destroyed much of the coast of China and India back in December of 2004 was 10 meters high.As I’ve said before, Genesis is the only logical account of creation. Unfortunately because we have differing axioms I’m sure we will continue to disagree.

Then I'm sure it wouldn't be a problem for you to give even one example.

This is OFF topic in this thread. Please take it to a new thread if needed. Do not respond here. You can do a Google or Yahoo search as easy as I can, but sure here ya go!Polystrate Fossils: Edited by AdminNosy, : Topic warning

Simple answer they didn’t. What are claimed to be Neanderthals are descendants of Adam. There was no death before Adam sinned, so no one and nothing died before that. So, what are the top 20 “biggest problems” with Genesis Creationism?

So how big was Noah's ark and how many animals were on it? I'll give you a hint you can start by replacing your 6's above with 2's. Except in the case where 7 "clean" animals were on board, but those were very few. I'm glad you included T Rex because he and all other dinosaurs were on the ark as well. That’s because they were land animals, all land animals were created on day 6 and all land animals were on the ark.

This is my first proposed new topic, so I don't know if I did it right. The topic is "Problems with Genesis Creation". How do you bump someone and all that other fun stuff?Edited by jjsemsch, : Changed title to Problems with Genesis Creation