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Taz
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Message 28 of 97 (394477)
04-11-2007 5:47 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by Incontrovertible
07-02-2004 8:41 AM


Incontrovertible writes:
That's exactly right, Earth is a much larger target, however it has an atmosphere. So even though the moon is smaller, everything that heads for it, impacts.
Our atmosphere helps, but only if the asteroids are small.
The Moon appears to have more craters than the Earth because it has no tectonic plates, water, atmosphere, and everything that Earth has to cover up the scars. You have to remember that the Earth is not frozen in time like the Moon. Earth has a myriad of activities that overtime have covered up much of the scars. If you take away the ocean, for example, you will see that we have just as many, if not more, craters as the moon.

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Taz
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Message 30 of 97 (394481)
04-11-2007 5:59 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by jjsemsch
04-11-2007 5:05 PM


Re: Life on the Moon?
jjsemsch writes:
You start with the belief that evolution is fact and that life arose from non-life here on Earth.
*Sigh* Abiogensis and evolution are two entirely different disciplines.
Logically following would be that life spontaneously popped up elsewhere in the universe.
Logically? I will take your word for it. Please give us the details behind this wonderous logic of yours.
Life has never been observed elsewhere in the universe.
There are an estimated 100 billion stars and a kagillion planets in our galaxy. We have visited the moon, landed probs on Venus and Mars, and taken pictures of Mercury, bodies in the Juvian system, Saturn and its moons, Uranus and its moons, and Neptune and its moons from high orbits. If you only counted the places we actually touched, that's 4 data points out of a possible 100 billion kagillion datapoints.
Let me guess, your next step is to want to claim that god created the universe in 6 days, correct?
Why is it that when the evidence contradicts the theory it’s not the theory that changes?
What evidence? That only 1 out of the 4 data points we have looked at out of a possible 100 billion kagillion contain life? Have you ever taken chemistry or physics in high school? You can't even get a best fit line with only 1 freakin datapoint, and you want to claim that the entire universe is void of life except for Earth?

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Taz
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Message 37 of 97 (394597)
04-12-2007 1:04 PM
Reply to: Message 34 by jjsemsch
04-12-2007 11:58 AM


Re: Life on the Moon?
jjsemsch writes:
True but you can’t have one with out the other. If one were to be disproven the other would be disproven as well.
Let me repeat myself. Abiogenesis and evolution are two entirely different disciplines. Even if god "poofed" life into existence, evolution would not be disproven, and vice versa.
Yes actually I took 2 physics and 2 chemistry courses in high school along with several physics and chemistry courses in college, where I earned a BS in Aerospace Engineering. Please, it’s not necessary to insult my intelligence to prove your point. That’s a logical fallacy known as argument ad hominem. That’s like saying you’re wrong because you smell bad.
Noone is insulting your intelligence. I only responded to what you wrote. You wanted to make a cosmic judgement on the existence of life based on the 4 measley datapoints we have (Earth, moon, mars, and venus). I don't know about you, but to me this is arrogance beyond imagination.
I didn’t claim that, but to date there is no evidence to prove otherwise. Are you saying that even though there is no evidence to support your belief, that there is life elsewhere in the universe? For lack of a better word are you saying you have “faith” in aliens?
Since when did I say such thing? Again, you want to judge the whole universe based on the 4 datapoints we've looked at with 1 positive result? If I were you, I'd hold out on judgement until at least we get to explore other regions of the universe first.
There's this thing called "I don't know" that I tend to use everytime I don't have enough data to make a call either way. You should try it sometimes... makes you look less arrogant.
Actually He did, but not because I say He did. He says He did in His word, the Bible. You should check it out sometime. It's a pretty good book and it's the all time best seller.
I've read the bible from cover to cover more times than I can count. I used to believe in the literal genesis account. I used to hold signs in protest of fags and other "sinners". My personal library has at least 15 or so bibles that I've collected over the years. So what? Notice that this is a science forums section of the board and not faith and belief. If you don't have anything beside the bible to contribute, then go away.

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Taz
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Message 53 of 97 (424847)
09-28-2007 11:39 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by crashman
09-14-2007 4:30 AM


Re: Extreem Lifeforms
We have a name for what you described. They're called the Domain Archaea.

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Taz
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Message 62 of 97 (425322)
10-01-2007 7:01 PM
Reply to: Message 60 by Scoopy
10-01-2007 1:41 PM


Scoopy writes:
I was just repeating what I had read in a science textbook, that's all. I'm not confused at all.
(1) Provide the title and author of this wonderful science fiction textbook for us, please.
(2) The distances between the Earth and the Sun vary several millions of miles within a year.
(3) We know for a fact that the angle of tilt in our axis changes over time. Ancient cultures built monuments and sun dials that if used today are off by many degrees. We can either assume that people back then were idiotic enough to not be able to tell their sun dials were off or we can assume that the angle of tilt in our axis changes over time.
(4) I have a pretty good idea who wrote the science fiction textbook you got your information from. I used to have a pastor who repeatedly said that if our planet suddenly become only a mile farther away from the sun or a mile closer to the sun, all life on Earth would die immediately.
(5) Anymore insightful science fiction information you want to share with us?

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Taz
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Message 68 of 97 (425376)
10-02-2007 12:35 AM
Reply to: Message 64 by Scoopy
10-01-2007 10:11 PM


Scoopy writes:
First of all, you don't know if it's fiction unless you know everything, and I hardly think you do or you would be all over the news.
I used to have students like you. Rather than trying to spend a few seconds looking up some info, you decided to follow your pride and continue to spout the same nonsense.
Second of all, what I was talking about, and lets see if you can grasp this, is that the earth goes in an eliptical pattern. Which means that there is a short diameter and a long diameter to it's orbit.
Yup, I used to have students like you. You read something that, to you, was completely new so you assume that the rest of us didn't already know all of this. I'll clue you in on something. I used to spend many long hours trying to explain to college students in detail how orbital mechanics work. You're not impressing anyone.
And I don't have to cite titles or authors or anything.
Sure you do, otherwise anyone can claim anything with the "I read somewhere that..." excuse.
But to be fair, we'll do it your way. I read somewhere that you are completely wrong.
If you are going to use condescending talk like that then you only piss people off, and that is not debating, that's being a prick.
My apology for using a condescending tone. But like I said, after a while, you all sort of look and sound the same to me.
Try just having an open mind and reading what people have to say, if you know so much, then you can be a teacher to the people who know less than you.
Here's the thing. "I read somewhere that..." doesn't carry much weight in the real world. I know that this line of argument is very popular among creationists, but in academia we strive for a little more than this. For a starter, you could at least give us a clue on the book you read that gave you such blatant misinformation.
But if you use talk like you do, it only turns people off, it doesn't promote good conversation.
Ok, I apologize.
So, how about that reference?

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Taz
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From: Zerus
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Message 69 of 97 (425378)
10-02-2007 12:46 AM
Reply to: Message 66 by Scoopy
10-01-2007 10:40 PM


Scoopy writes:
Then I would like to see documentation for Taz's statments about the tilting of the earth changing over time.
Here's the kicker, the change in the tilting of the Earth's axis is such a common knowledge (at least in academia anyway) that it's one of those "I can't believe you didn't know this before" kinda thing.
It's like gravitation. I had to deal with a teenager that tried to disprove the theory of gravity by pointing out that rocks don't orbit mountains. It's just one of those moments where there's really no good argument against such blatant ignorance and misinformation and all you can do is blink once and stare in awe of what's just been said.
But as Kuresu and Molbio already pointed out, you're the one that made the original fantastic claim. The burden of proof is on you. Otherwise, we'd all be playing the "I read somewhere that..." game.
PS - the reason we're not treating your incredible claim so seriously is because we've seen it a thousand times before from people who didn't even know what foci are in an ellipse or how to calculate their positions. Fun fact for you. The sun is located at one of the foci of Earth's elliptical orbit.

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Taz
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Posts: 5069
From: Zerus
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Message 88 of 97 (425561)
10-02-2007 6:24 PM
Reply to: Message 85 by Scoopy
10-02-2007 12:53 PM


Re: Precession and Axial Tilt
Scoopy writes:
I just meant that if the tilt was more than 23.5degrees, like say 25? How much difference would that make in the temperature of the earth?
This seems to be the first time you've stepped away from being defensive of a rediculous claim and really asked a legitimate question.
The answer is there will definitely be changes in the Earth's climates, but such changes would not be enough to kill all life on Earth. Life on Earth have endured drastic climate changes before. Geological evidence have shown us that the planet have gone through dozens of ice ages.
We also know that the Earth wobbles slowly, changing it's tilt angle from time to time. How do we know this? One of the most in-your-face evidence of this are the monuments ancient people built to keep track of the seasons. If we use these ancient calendars today, we'd notice that they are off. Like I said before, we can either assume that people back then were idiots who didn't notice that their devices to measure the seasons were off or we can see this as evidence that the Earth's tilt angle was different back then.

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Taz
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Message 96 of 97 (425705)
10-03-2007 8:22 PM
Reply to: Message 89 by Scoopy
10-03-2007 7:39 AM


Scoopy writes:
What if that maximum distance of 152.5 million km was changed to 153 million km.
Ditto what RAZD said. You also have to remember that Earth has a big ass body of water to act as a buffer for any drastic changes in the weather.
Say that the energy received from the sun gets reduced somewhat dramatically at it's furthest point from the sun. Sure, we might experience colder winters, but the difference will not be so drastic that life on Earth will go meet their creator. At best, we'd see some species that can't adapt and go extinct while others taking over certain new niches.
Like I said before. The Earth have gone through many many ice ages before, some of them global. Armageddon never came despite of this.

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He, him, and his are not intended as exclusively masculine pronouns. They may refer to either sex or to both sexes!

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