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robinrohan Inactive Member |
Beings possess consciousness and you are referring chiefly if not exclusively to earth based lifeforms? That's the only ones we know of.
You are not sure if consciousness is a quality of all life, including bacteria or have you arrived at a cutoff point? Like say oh worms maybe? There's a cut-off point somewhere. One essay I read set forth this ingenious idea that the way we know if an animal possesses consciousnes or not is whether or not it sleeps. If they sleep, then it is likely that they are conscious when they are awake. Most animals don't sleep (according to the essay).
It seems that you are then agreeing with the position that consciousness is an emergent quality in the universe that come about when? With cells? With sufficiently complex neural organisation? With brain? It evolved gradually somehow. Admittedly, that is mysterious.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
Sometimes that sense of being so enclosed in this so very specific strangeness of my I-ness can give me chills, make my hair stand on end. It can be a lonely feeling.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
How does a person do that? All you have to do is think logically.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
Can, but what gets to me is a sort of spookiness, the strangeness of it when you really look right at it. Yes, when you look in the mirror.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
Maybe it's all that time spent hindered by an alcohol-befuddled brain that is the problem rather than the solution. Not quite befuddled yet.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
"Logical" and "objective" are not the same thing. Same thing.
How does one come to the logical conclusion that, "all purposes are equal"? Since they are all subjective, they are all equal. One might as well prefer one color to another.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
Many times, many churches are coldly exclusivist,(usually unconsciously) judgemental . . . Those are the ones I like. I would love to be exclusive. Edited by robinrohan, : No reason given.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
No, I did not mean it as a joke. Looking in a mirror carefully is spooky.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
Any logic begins with a premise which is an assumption which may or may not be subjective.
I'm talking about the logic, not the premises.
"Subjective" is not, by definition, "equal". It is in terms of being evidence of anything. If one's idea is subjective, it's no good as evidence. Edited by robinrohan, : No reason given.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
Looking at a dead spirit is looking at death. It is spooky This thing I'm looking at in the mirror is not dead. It's just not me.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
Relying only on empirical evidence and logic, one can't say one purpose is better than another purpose", then I agree. Well, obviously that's what I meant.
But you can't then say that there is no basis whatsoever for judging one basis as superior than any other, which is not true. If it's not a result of induction or deduction, it's worthless in terms of being evidence of truth. Surely you would agree with this?
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
You said, in effect, "it is objectively true that all purposes are of the same value". That's right. If a purpose is subjective, which I assume all our purposes are, then there's no logical, objective reason to choose one over the other. It's just a matter of personal preference. Any kind of argument we come up with to show that one purpose is superior to another will just beg the question. Suppose your purpose is to rid the world of cancer. You might say, "By ridding the world of cancer, I will have performed a great feat. I will lengthen the lives of many, many people now and in future generations." Why should lengthening the lives of many, many people now and in future generations be accepted as a superior goal? Upon what basis? The basis would be some assumption, perhaps, about the value of human life. But why should human life be considered particularly valuable? In an objective sense, there is no such quality as "value." Or the basis might be some moral assumption about the superiority of helping others. Why should that moral assumption be accepted? It's just a subjective assumption.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
OK, now I get it. Sort of An eerie detached sensation. In and out of the self.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
But you are, Robin, you are. Or is a better word unique? Well, if I was going to go to a church, I wouldn't want to have to hobnob with the riffraff.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
Do you have many beggars in the town you live in? How do you treat them? Yes, we have many. If somebody is missing limbs, I might give something. Otherwise, I ignore them.
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