where did Cain's wife come from?

Hello Paul; perhaps you would deign to respond to this and this, where you made potentially insulting and unsupported assertations about my worldview?Or did you just plan to troll and forget?

Seems that this reminds me of a joke I heard recently (with a little poetic license):Adam's with Eve in the Garden and Eve is giving birth to another child, her 5th. When the child finally comes into the world Adam exclaims..."Eve!! Whose child is this!!?? He looks nothing like our first four children? what's going on? What have you been doing while I was talking to God?"
Eve looks over at Adam and says, "Adam THIS one IS your child."Just had to lighten things up a bit

Abel died without issue ... so I guess that's why he's
not in there.As for Cain ... as a cast-out he's probably black-listed.All cleared up by the flood, though

Who believes that Cain was about 100, and why? There is
no indicated time-frame in Genesis for these events.Seth was born when Adam was 130, and I would presume that his
line is mentioned because it is the 'official' line of Adam.
I fail to see where the reasoning behind 'if he had sons and daughters
after Seth he probably did after Cain' has any support. We have the
text. Anyone can make a 'just-so' story that isn't even in the
Bible .... and most creationists lump evolutionary explanations
into that same category. One rule for one ...All that Eve is saying is 'hey look, I had a boy!' like any
mother would (unless she'd had a girl, natch!). Suggesting that
it means she had previously had daughters stretches the meaning
of the word 'tenuous' to new limits. 'Oh look I found an apple.'
therefore I may well have found several pears and an artichoke
prior to that, but they were not worth mentioning.We do not know the timescales, but we must reasonably assume that
the chapters are arranged chronologically. Seth was the issue
when 'Adam knew his wife again'. Up to this point, Adam is said
to have 'known' Eve only three times ... that's all we have ...
anything else is made-up with no support.It seems to me that Adam represents the creation of a single
tribe, rather than of all human life on the planet. Which
raises the same question as the title of this thread, about the
'men' who shouldn't kill Cain upon finding him.The bible doesn't actually say that Adam was the only, or
even first human, after all.

You would have to read outside the bible in the books of Apocrypha and Pseudepigrapha .The books of adam and eve and other texts from the Qumram scrolls( dead sea) . Here is a link The Books of Adam and Eve and other texts believed to be written by pagans ..Also read the apocalypse of moses . ( seperate thought ) You see that the parable taken with both the bible ( omitting 2:9 which contrdicts the theory) shows they are speaking of a spiritual realm (genesis ) .. not a physical , but then again thats contrdicted by 2:9 and is possibly the reason why it wasn't added to the bible . 2:9 " and out the ground made the Lord God grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight ,and good for food ,the tree of life and also the tree of good and evil "..Uses very physical descriptions .. it also tells of where cains wife came from , the land of Nod ... in the past these cultures acknowledged other gods!!!! they thought other gods created other peoples... the hebrews were the creation of their own personal God. You really have to read all the books in sequence to get the whole story . I am a Atheist ,and it amazes me christians dont'even know of these Apocrypha and Pseudepigrapha...[This message has been edited by spherical_bastards, 05-19-2003]

Peter writes:

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I fail to see where the reasoning behind 'if he had sons and daughters after Seth he probably did after Cain' has any support.

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Well, there is the whining that Cain does to god when told that he will be marked for his crime:Genesis 4:14: Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me.Who are these other people that Cain is worried about? If it truly is the case that there is only Adam, Eve, and Cain, Abel having been murdered and thus no longer a problem, then there doesn't seem to be much of a danger.And let's not forget that Cain then builds a city (Genesis 4:17). Given that there's only him (and supposedly his wife, whose name is not mentioned, and child, Enoch), it won't be much of a city.So one can reasonably infer that there are other people around.Another hint can be found later in Genesis...it's part of the reason god kills everybody off (Genesis 6). It seems the "sons of god" are having sex with the "daughters of men" and having kids of their own...but wait, didn't god have only one son? Well, maybe these sons weren't "begotten"...kinda like how in Macbeth, Macduff manages to get around the prophecy which says none "of woman born" can kill him..."Macduff was from his mother's womb untimely ripp'd"...in other words, Caeserian section. Perhaps these other "sons of god" were born like Athena: Sprung from god's forehead fully grown.Too, there's the claim of giants roaming around. These giants are not the "sons of god," so it seems there are a lot of humanoid creatures running around, some of which are fertile with humans.Perhaps Cain's wife was one of these giants?------------------
Rrhain
WWJD? JWRTFM!

I wasn't disputing that there were other people about,
that is self evident from the text.Relating those other people to undisclosed sons and daughters
of Adam and Eve is the part that is not suported in the
text itself. It emerges as an idea only if you interpret Genesis
to mean that Adam and Eve were the only people in existence.I don't.It does, however, make some sense, and make sense of Gen 1 Vs Gen 2
if one takes the view that 'people' in general were created
in genesis 1 ... while Adam & Eve, as special children of God
were created after and given eden to live in.I have a view on what this all means ... but it's so whacky
that it would undermine any glimmer of credibility that I
might have left

Where did Cain get his wife?

Maybe Cain found a spare rib somewhere

Ewww, amai, that's a pretty lame piece of apologetics! Footnote #3 is particularly scholarly.....

Does footnote 9 mean that Eve was Adam's daughter?

She came from Pittsburg.

hi
i want to add another ques on the Cain list..
how was Cain killed??

maverick writes:

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i want to add another ques on the Cain list..
how was Cain killed??

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I don't think the Bible says. It does say that anybody who kills Cain will suffer horribly, but it doesn't say if he dies from natural causes or through nefarious methods.If you read the back story of the game, Vampire: The Masquerade, they create a mythology that the curse put upon Cain is that of vampirism. That is, Caine is the first vampire. but, that's just a game.------------------
Rrhain
WWJD? JWRTFM!

I'd have to look it up to be sure, but I believe Cain died when a stone wall fell on him.------------------
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