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sfripp
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Message 46 of 117 (124504)
07-14-2004 2:58 PM
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07-13-2004 10:18 PM


quote:
Kind of like a Singularity inversion? Yes, that is one of the predominate thoughts on this hypothesis.
Is that sarcasm? mr Sheen!
quote:
But aren't we getting a bit off-topic as to how the Erath was NOT shredded to pieces if it suddenly stopped one day for 24 hours, then abruptly started up again?
Like I said, you would have to channel away the kinetic energy involved in the earths revolution. Because a magnetic field affects matter at an atomic level you could, in affect, put the brakes on at that level also. The kinetic energy could be changed into electromagnetic energy, as the field lines interact with the matter, strengthening the field (which has temporarily reversed, as it does on occasion)and causing a gravatational offset to nulify the change
of motion! This would make the earth a temporary self generator no longer absorbing electromagnetic energy from the sun. Istead the sun would absorb ours! Then when the field can no longer sustain itself due to the lack of energy the feild re-flip and revert to using the sun's energy!
Did you know that the sun changes it's magnetoshpere polarity quite frequently!

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jar
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Message 47 of 117 (124505)
07-14-2004 3:02 PM
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07-14-2004 2:58 PM


Have you ever been in a car when it suddenly stops, say by hitting a bridge?

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Amlodhi
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Message 48 of 117 (124512)
07-14-2004 3:30 PM
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07-14-2004 3:02 PM


quote:
Originally posted by jar
Have you ever been in a car when it suddenly stops, say by hitting a bridge?
I don't know about sfripp, but I have. Exactly as you described it, right down to the part about the bridge.
Dramatic proof.
Amlodhi

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Steen
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Message 49 of 117 (124832)
07-15-2004 9:39 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by sfripp
07-14-2004 2:58 PM


quote:
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Kind of like a Singularity inversion? Yes, that is one of the predominate thoughts on this hypothesis.
Is that sarcasm? mr Sheen!
?? Who is "sheen"? And no, the dominant hypothesis at this time is that the Big Bang arose from a Singularity inversion. I would have thought that you knew this, given that you ARE talking about the Big Bang. Sorry, I had assumed that you knew what you were talking about
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Like I said, you would have to channel away the kinetic energy involved in the earths revolution. Because a magnetic field affects matter at an atomic level you could, in affect, put the brakes on at that level also.
Really? You can stop motion without friction by transforming the momentum into electromagnetic radiation, and then reverse it back into the Earth 24 hrs later? I am truly baffled that none of the Earth's physicists have come up mwith this yet.
I tell you what, you are definitely on the fast-track to the next Nobels Price in physics here.
quote:
The kinetic energy could be changed into electromagnetic energy, as the field lines interact with the matter, strengthening the field (which has temporarily reversed, as it does on occasion)and causing a gravatational offset to nulify the change
of motion!
Ah, but what would that have done to Joshua and his men, who alegedly were fighting during this time. Shouldn't their motin have been converted as well?
quote:
This would make the earth a temporary self generator no longer absorbing electromagnetic energy from the sun.
But then, the Erath's rotation is not driven 100% by the sun, is it now
quote:
Istead the sun would absorb ours!
Still doesn't explain the change in momentum, how it arose, why it hasn't happened since and so on. This is about the lamest attempt at an explanation I have ever seen. It is even worse than Goddidit
quote:
Did you know that the sun changes it's magnetoshpere polarity quite frequently!
Yet, the Earth doesn't stop and start quite frequently, so that kind of sinks your patently nonsense claim.

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contracycle
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Message 50 of 117 (124978)
07-16-2004 11:14 AM
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07-08-2004 2:53 PM


Re: How long is a day?
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So you are saying that the Bible is wrong, that the idea of the sun "standing still" for 24 hrs needs to be interpreted, based on what we know today?
Specifically, I think that it is likely that such long narratives contain real events that have been massaged for a doctrinal purpose. I don't theres anything supernatural going on, but there was likely some event that formed the kernel of this story.

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coffee_addict
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Message 51 of 117 (124997)
07-16-2004 12:44 PM
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07-14-2004 2:58 PM


Sorry sfripp, but your post has some of the most bullpoop ideas about physics I have ever seen.
There are only 2 possible ways to cause planet Earth to stop rotating and start rotating again. However, both ways would cause the end of all life on Earth as we know it.

The Laminator

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sfripp
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Message 52 of 117 (125558)
07-19-2004 12:09 AM
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07-14-2004 3:02 PM


quote:
Have you ever been in a car when it suddenly stops, say by hitting a bridge?
Who said that the earth stopped suddenly? The surface speed of the earth is 1000km/h try slowing it down over 2-3 hours and see if you notice!

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jar
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Message 53 of 117 (125584)
07-19-2004 3:13 AM
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07-19-2004 12:09 AM


Max Nix.
Even if you slowed the action down over several hours, it would still be pretty abrupt. Everything that was not nailed down would be heading east at 1000 miles an hour.
But that still would not answer the obvious questions.
You had the Egyptians right next door. The sun happens to be a big part of their religious system. How come they didn't notice? How about the Assyrians? They just miss the event?
How come the Indians, Chinese, Japanese, Amerinds and Aborigine don't tell the tale of the day that never happened? Do you seriously think that there would not be hell to pay if the sun did not come up one morning?

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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NosyNed
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Message 54 of 117 (125592)
07-19-2004 4:25 AM
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07-19-2004 3:13 AM


nope
Even if you slowed the action down over several hours, it would still be pretty abrupt. Everything that was not nailed down would be heading east at 1000 miles an hour.
Nope, decelerating to zero from 100's of kms per hour is something airliners do all the time. Those that avoid mountains (and bridges ) do it in less than an hour.
It would take pretty fancy calculations to see what structures would stand and which fall under the decleratoin involved here.
However, where in the Bible are the several hours of deceleration and acceleration mentioned?

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jar
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Message 55 of 117 (125593)
07-19-2004 4:31 AM
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07-19-2004 4:25 AM


Re: nope
Notice that they come around and pick up all the loose stuff when they get ready to land.
Have you ever seen or heard the luggage stuffed in those compartments slide around during landing or takeoff?

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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sfripp
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Message 56 of 117 (125643)
07-19-2004 10:17 AM
Reply to: Message 54 by NosyNed
07-19-2004 4:25 AM


Re: nope
quote:
However, where in the Bible are the several hours of deceleration and acceleration mentioned
Jos 10:13 So the sun stood still,
and the moon stopped,
till the nation avenged itself on its enemies,
as it is written in the Book of Jashar.
The sun stopped in the middle of the sky and delayed going down about a full day.
Jos 10:14 There has never been a day like it before or since
It doesn't mention a deceleration time, but for the sake of reconciling a long day scientifically it seemed appropriate! I doubt that anything on the earth would notice a gradual deceleration from 1000km/h over the space of hour, certainly not over 2-3 hours! In either case the sun would appear to remain in the ‘middle’ of the sky (depending on what you classify as the middle part of the sky? 30 degrees, 40?)
30 degrees would be approx 2 hours.

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sfripp
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Message 57 of 117 (125648)
07-19-2004 10:28 AM
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07-19-2004 4:31 AM


Re: nope
quote:
Have you ever seen or heard the luggage stuffed in those compartments slide around during landing or takeoff?
Yes but decelerating from 350km/h to taxi speed in a little over a minute is a bit different! So is accelerating to 850km/h in around 5 min. If you have a sporty car that is capable of 0-100 in 5 seconds, that doesn't mean you wont survive! Continue that acceleration without air resistance and the motors limitations and it would take 50 second to reach 1000 km/h. The same inertia would be felt decelerating from that speed to 0. If there was 40 times less inertia, would it really bother you? (as would be if it took the earth 30 minutes to stop revolving)

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zephyr
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Message 58 of 117 (125656)
07-19-2004 11:21 AM
Reply to: Message 57 by sfripp
07-19-2004 10:28 AM


Re: nope
You're ignoring all the best questions! I still wanna know why the Egyptians and other cultures, whose excellence in astronomy and technology (and basically every other field as well) far exceeded that of the Hebrews, failed to notice this event. Ditto the people around the world who waited in terrifying darkness for 24 hours, convinced that the sun had gone out. Not my ideas, just questions from others that you're avoiding. Come on, give it a shot.
*fixed grammar error*
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Percy
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Message 59 of 117 (125658)
07-19-2004 11:28 AM
Reply to: Message 56 by sfripp
07-19-2004 10:17 AM


Re: nope
sfripp writes:
It doesn't mention a deceleration time, but for the sake of reconciling a long day scientifically it seemed appropriate! I doubt that anything on the earth would notice a gradual deceleration from 1000km/h over the space of hour, certainly not over 2-3 hours!
Since this was a miracle, it would have had to include not having any devastating effects from the deceleration, nor from the subsequent acceleration when the earth resumed spinning.
Without a miracle, stopping the earth, whether suddenly or within a few hours, isn't possible without disasterous effects. The kinetic energy of the spinning earth is approximately 2.56x1029 Joules (see David, Author at TechBlitz). Something would have had to exert this much energy to stop the earth without somehow turning it into a huge scrambled egg.
To see the difficulty involved in stopping the earth without damaging it, imagine you're in orbit around the earth where there's no gravity, and that you have a slowly spinning delicate mudball a couple feet in diameter before you. Your job: stop the spin of the mudball without breaking it up into smaller pieces and without causing it major damage, gouges or distortions. It can't be done.
The same is true of the earth. Any exertion of forces large enough to bring the earth's spin to a halt in only a few hours would leave their effects everywhere.
--Percy

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NosyNed
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Message 60 of 117 (125659)
07-19-2004 11:35 AM
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07-19-2004 11:28 AM


Re: nope
I'd agree Percy. It is just that it takes some calculations to show that not a simple assertion or a comparison to an airplane.

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